Potential Difference: + to - Pole Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential difference, particularly in relation to the flow of current from the positive to the negative pole in a circuit. Participants explore definitions of potential, the implications of current flow direction, and the relationship between voltage and potential in various contexts, including theoretical and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the positive pole has greater potential, while others argue that potential is relative and depends on the context of the circuit.
  • A participant mentions that the negative terminal of a battery has a higher concentration of electrons, suggesting it may have a higher potential in relation to the positive terminal.
  • There is a concrete problem presented regarding the measurement of voltage in a changing magnetic field, raising questions about how to determine voltage based on current direction and magnitude.
  • Some participants express confusion about how to predict measured voltage when only the direction and value of current are known.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between conventional current flow and electron flow, with some noting that physically, electrons move from negative to positive.
  • A participant reflects on the varying relevance of current flow direction in different contexts, such as in electrical wiring versus semiconductor design.
  • One participant shares an observation about the role of current flow direction in ignition systems, indicating a learning process regarding practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of potential and current flow direction. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of potential in relation to circuit components.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in understanding arise from differing definitions of "potential" and the context in which voltage is measured. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in distinguishing between conventional and electron flow.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about electric circuits, educators seeking to clarify concepts of potential and current, and professionals in fields related to electrical engineering and physics.

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If current flows from + to - for example, which pole has greater potential? I assume the + pole has greater potential, but my teacher says otherwise.
 
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Neither has "greater potential" per se. They have a potential in relation to each other within your circuit. There is a greater concentration of electrons on the negative terminal of a battery; the voltage i.e. potential difference in relation to the positive will drive the current to the other pole. From this perspective the negative terminal will have a higher potential, but it is important to always clearly define your voltage as being between two points. If you put a multimeter's positive lead to a 9V battery's anode and the negative to the cathode, you'll get a reading of 9 Vdc. Flip them on the same battery and you'll get -9 Vdc.

BTW current flow can be defined as either conventional flow or electron flow. Conventional flow is positive to negative, electron flow is negative to positive. It's the same physical flow regardless of what label you put on it. It's just important to note which you're describing to provide proper frame of reference.
 
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This is the concrete problem:

Inward directed magnetic field passes through surface area of 0.01 m^2 as shown in the image below and changes from 4 T to -4 T in 4 seconds. What is the voltage measured on a voltmeter? (note: voltmeter measures positive voltage when the potential is higher on the positive pole)
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jim hardy said:

The article mainly discusses the direction and magnitude of current which I can determine easily. But I don't understand how can we predict the measured voltage if we only know the direction and value of current. (voltage is positive when there is more potential near the positive pole so what I really want to know is near what pole will potential be greater)
 
What is your understanding of the definition for "potential " ?
 
There are two ways for representing the direction of current, when you see a circuit diagram it's possible to see one of the both, sometimes you can see the classical representation and sometimes the real representation of the current flow.
Physically the electrons move from the negative pole to the positive pole.
Also more information, https://www.infootec.net/en/electron-current-conventional-electric-current/
 
Some good clear answers in here, helpful thanks, I always over complicate relatively simple concepts when explaining to others in my job!
 
Depending upon how deep one delves into what is happening in circuits, conductors, semiconductors, etc. it may or may not be relevant which way current flows. Electricians who wire our houses, factories, etc. just plain don't need to know. Folks who design semiconductors certainly need to know a lot more. My advice to someone who cannot see how current can flow from negative to positive is usually to file a complaint with Ben Franklin.
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One place I didn't think it mattered which way current flows but it seems that it does is ignition. An arc occur more easily if the sharp pointy electrode is negative relative to the other electrode. I'm still learning.
 

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