Potential energy and proton acceleratoin

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the potential energy of a proton as it approaches a spherical charge distribution. The proton is initially accelerated to a specified velocity, and participants are tasked with determining how close it can get to the charge distribution before stopping, given certain parameters.

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  • Participants explore energy conservation principles, specifically relating kinetic and potential energy. There are attempts to calculate the distance from the charge distribution using the potential energy equation and the values provided.

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Some participants have provided calculations and expressed confusion regarding the values used for the charge of the proton and the spherical charge distribution. There is an ongoing examination of the calculations, with some participants suggesting potential errors in the application of the equations and the values assigned to the charges.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the initial potential energy of the proton is zero and are discussing the implications of using different values for the charge of the proton and the spherical charge distribution in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



A proton is accelerated to 3*10^6 m/s and heads towards a spherical charge distribution having a charge of 1.6*10^-18 C. Approximately how close to the distribution does the proton travel before stopping? (Assume inital potential energy of proton is zero).

Vi= 0
Q= 1.6*10^-18 C
a= 3*10^6 m/s

Homework Equations


energy conservation:

Kf+Vf = Ki + Vi
V= kQ/R



The Attempt at a Solution



Kf+Vf = Ki + Vi
0+qv= 1/2mv^2+ 0
qv= .5mv^2
(1.6*10^-18)(v)= (.5)(1.67*10^-27)(3*10^6m/s)
v= .001565

V= kQ/R
.001565= (9*10^9)(1.6*10^-18)/(R)
R= 9.2 * 10^-7m


Is this correct?
 
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In EPE = qV, the 'q' is the charge being acted on by the spherical charge distribution, since you set V to be the potential caused by this distribution. So in this case it would be the charge of the proton.
 
So when I plugged in 1 *10^-19 C [charge of proton] I ended up with 9.2*10^-6 m which was not even an option on the multiple choice. I am confused, please help. If this helps the answers are:
1.9* 10^6m
3.1*10^-13m
5.5*10^-7 m
9.2 *10^-7 m
 
The charge of the proton is really 1.6*10^-19 C. But it looks like you made a mistake somewhere and lost a factor of 10. You actually had the right answer initially, but did the math wrong.

So please write out all the steps and I can point out where you went wrong.
 
so here's what I did:

Kf+Vf = Ki + Vi
0+qv= 1/2mv^2+ 0
qv= .5mv^2
(1.6*10^-19)(v)= (.5)(1.67*10^-27)(3*10^6m/s)
v= .01565

V= kQ/R
.01565= (9*10^9)(1.6*10^-19)/(R)
R= 9.2* 10 ^-8 m

but then I did this:
leaving q = 1.6*10^-18 and changing Q= 1.6 *10^-19 [ proton charge] and then solving the same way to get a final answer of
9.2 *10^-7m.

so which way is correct?
By the way thanks for helping.
 
Changing the order of q and Q should not affect your answer. You are making a mistake when you calculate R in this step:

.01565= (9*10^9)(1.6*10^-19)/(R)

Originally you have q = 1.6*10-19 C, and here in this step you are also setting Q = 1.6*10^-19 C. You should have set Q = 1.6*10^-18 C.
 
nickjer said:
Changing the order of q and Q should not affect your answer. You are making a mistake when you calculate R in this step:

.01565= (9*10^9)(1.6*10^-19)/(R)

Originally you have q = 1.6*10-19 C, and here in this step you are also setting Q = 1.6*10^-19 C. You should have set Q = 1.6*10^-18 C.
well i found the right answer and it was nowhere near what I got.

by the way i did originally have Q = 1.6*10^-18 C but you told me to change it.
 
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Well, you can interchange q and Q. But only one of them can be 1.6*10^-19 C. Unfortunately, you set them both to that.
 

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