Potential Function for a gradient field.

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The discussion revolves around finding a potential function for a gradient field, specifically focusing on two vector fields where one is identified as irrotational and the other is not. Participants are exploring the construction of a potential function for the irrotational field.

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  • Participants discuss integrating components of the vector fields to derive the potential function. There are attempts to simplify the integration process and to clarify the relationship between the components and the potential function.

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Some participants have provided guidance on integration techniques and have shared their progress in constructing the potential function. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the integration results, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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(i) is not irrotational and (ii) is - I wish it was the other way round!

Can anyone help my construct a potential function \phi (x,y,z) for (ii)?
 
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It's a lot easier than it looks. Integrate F1 dx to get started. You'll find the part of the potential function you get explains the three hardest parts in that expression. Then try F2 dy. The answer is built to look intimidating.
 
To integrate
\int \frac{yz dx}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2+ 1}}
let xyz= tan(\theta). Then yzdx= sec^2(\theta), \sqrt{x^2y^2z^2+ 1}= \sqrt{tan^2(\theta)+ 1}= sec(\theta) and the integral becomes
\int sec(\theta)d\theta)= \int \frac{d\theta}{cos(\theta)}
= \int \frac{cos(\theta)d\theta)}{cos^2(\theta)}= \int \frac{cos(\theta)d\theta}{1- sin^2(\theta)}
and now you can let u= sin(\theta). Don't forget that the "constant of integration" may be a function of y and z.
 
HallsofIvy said:
To integrate
\int \frac{yz dx}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2+ 1}}
let xyz= tan(\theta). Then yzdx= sec^2(\theta), \sqrt{x^2y^2z^2+ 1}= \sqrt{tan^2(\theta)+ 1}= sec(\theta) and the integral becomes
\int sec(\theta)d\theta)= \int \frac{d\theta}{cos(\theta)}
= \int \frac{cos(\theta)d\theta)}{cos^2(\theta)}= \int \frac{cos(\theta)d\theta}{1- sin^2(\theta)}
and now you can let u= sin(\theta). Don't forget that the "constant of integration" may be a function of y and z.

So I get \displaystyle \phi (x,y,z) = \int \frac{1}{1-u^2}\;du = \text{sinh}^{-1} (xyz) + f(y,z)

Hence \displaystyle \frac{\partial}{\partial y} \bigg\{ \text{sinh}^{-1} (xyz)\bigg\} + \frac{\partial f(y,z)}{\partial y} = \frac{xz}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2 + 1}} + \frac{2yz^2}{y^2z^2 + 1}

\displaystyle \frac{xz}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2 + 1}} + \frac{\partial f(y,z)}{\partial y} = \frac{xz}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2 + 1}} + \frac{2yz^2}{y^2z^2 + 1}

\displaystyle \frac{\partial f(y,z)}{\partial y} = \frac{2yz^2}{y^2z^2 + 1}

\displaystyle f(y,z) = \int \frac{2yz^2}{y^2z^2 + 1}\;dy = \ln (y^2z^2 + 1) + g(z)

So \phi (x,y,z) = \text{sinh}^{-1} (xyz) + \ln (y^2z^2 + 1) + g(z)

\displaystyle \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \bigg\{ \text{sinh}^{-1} (xyz) + \ln (y^2z^2 + 1) + g(z) \bigg \} = \frac{xy}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2 + 1}} + \frac{2y^2z}{y^2z^2 + 1} + \frac{1}{z^2 +1}

\displaystyle \frac{xy}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2 + 1}} + \frac{2y^2z}{y^2z^2 + 1} + g'(z) = \frac{xy}{\sqrt{x^2y^2z^2 + 1}} + \frac{2y^2z}{y^2z^2 + 1} + \frac{1}{z^2 +1}

\displaystyle g'(z) = \frac{1}{z^2 +1}

\displaystyle g(z) = \int \frac{1}{z^2 +1}\;dz = \tan^{-1} (z) + c

So \phi (x,y,z) = \text{sinh}^{-1} (xyz) + \ln (y^2 z^2 + 1) + \tan ^{-1} (z) + c\;\;\;\;\;\text{(}c\;\text{constant)}
 
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Right. That wasn't so hard, was it?
 

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