Potential of a conservative force

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining whether a given force vector can be associated with a potential function. The force vector is defined in three dimensions, and the original poster expresses difficulty in finding the potential, despite having the relevant equation for potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest calculating the curl of the force to check if it is conservative, which would indicate the existence of a potential. There are discussions about integrating the components of the force vector and the challenges faced in performing these integrations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on checking the curl of the force and integrating the components, while others are exploring the difficulties encountered in the integration process. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions and methods without reaching a consensus on the solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has indicated confusion regarding the integration of the force components and the treatment of variables during integration. There is an emphasis on understanding the nature of the force and its implications for potential energy.

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Homework Statement



Hello everybody,

i have the following problem:

The following force vector is given:

\vec{F}(x, y, z) = (2x + 3y)*\vec{e}_x + (z*cos(y*z))*\vec{e}_y + (y*cos(y*z))*\vec{e}_z

Is it possible to find a potential for this given force? If it is possible, find it!

I somehow cannot figure out a solution, even though i know the equation for potential (at least i think that this is the relevant one in the setion below)

Homework Equations



V(x, y, z) = \int_{}{} \vec{F}(x,y,z)d\vec{s}


The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to integrate the x-, y- and z-components of the given force vector respectively, but for some reason i can't figure out how to properly integrate the components.
I hope someone here an help me. Best regards and thank you in advance.
 
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Calculate the rotational of the force. If it vanishes than there is a potential otherwise no potential exists. If it does than chose some point in space as a reference point (any point) and integrate the force along some path (any path) from the reference point to the point with coordinates (x,y,z). That's the potential at (x,y,z).
 
TanGeriN said:
I tried to integrate the x-, y- and z-components of the given force vector respectively, but for some reason i can't figure out how to properly integrate the components.
Can you show where you are stuck? Checking to see if the curl of the force vanishes is one way to determine whether it is conservative. However, you can continue with your integrations and see if you notice any contradictions in the expressions you have for V collectively.
 
Unfortunately i get stuck already when trying to integrate the very first component. How do you integrate F_x = \int (2x+3y) dx ?
 
TanGeriN said:
Unfortunately i get stuck already when trying to integrate the very first component. How do you integrate F_x = \int (2x+3y) dx ?
When integrating in the ##x## direction, ##y## is a constant.
 

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