Power 741 op amp with +9 and -5 ?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility and implications of powering a 741 operational amplifier with a +9V and -5V supply configuration. Participants explore the potential output voltage range, performance considerations, and the importance of a stable ground connection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that using +9V and -5V is possible, but the output swing will be limited by the lower voltage, approximately -4.5V.
  • Others reference the LM741 specification, indicating that with a +9V and -5V supply and a load resistance greater than 10,000 ohms, the output voltage range could be +8V to -4V.
  • One participant notes that for an input signal symmetrical about ground, the maximum output will depend on the lower supply voltage, warning that exceeding -4V may lead to distortion.
  • Another participant suggests that while the configuration is possible, it may not be optimal due to the lack of symmetric voltages, which could affect performance.
  • Concerns are raised about the importance of a stable ground connection as a reference point for the voltages, emphasizing its role in the op amp's operation.
  • There is a recommendation for using a dual power supply with symmetric voltages for optimal performance, though the feasibility of the +9V and -5V setup is acknowledged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using +9V and -5V for the 741 op amp. While some agree it is possible, others highlight potential performance issues, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal power supply configuration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on load resistance and the specific characteristics of the LM741 op amp, as well as the implications of using asymmetric supply voltages on performance.

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I have a few power supply's of different voltages, but for convenience a.t.m. can I use +9 and it's -5, it has a ground of course too
 
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Yes, but you will only be able to obtain an output swing based on the lower voltage ie about -4.5 volts. +5 volts will obviously be attainable since it is nowhere near 9.
 
According to my reading of the LM741 specification,
For power supply voltages of +9 volt, -5 volt and load resistance greater than 10,000 ohm, a typical LM741 will have an output voltage range of +8 volt to -4 volt
 
Carl Pugh said:
According to my reading of the LM741 specification,
For power supply voltages of +9 volt, -5 volt and load resistance greater than 10,000 ohm, a typical LM741 will have an output voltage range of +8 volt to -4 volt

Yes, but for an input signal that is symmetrical about the ground point, the maximum output will depend on the lower of the two supply voltages.

In this case, because the negative supply is only 5 volts, distorted output will result if the negative output is driven beyond about -4 volts, although the positive output may be clean.
 


I would say that using +9V and -5V to power a 741 op amp is possible, but it may not be the most optimal choice. The 741 op amp typically requires a dual power supply with symmetric voltages (i.e. +V and -V) to function properly. Using +9V and -5V may result in an uneven supply and could potentially affect the performance of the op amp.

Additionally, the ground connection is important as it serves as a reference point for the voltages. It is important to ensure that the ground connection is properly connected and has a stable voltage to avoid any potential issues with the op amp.

If possible, I would recommend using a dual power supply with symmetric voltages to power the 741 op amp. This will provide a more stable and balanced power supply, allowing the op amp to function at its optimal level. However, if using +9V and -5V is the only option, it is important to carefully consider the potential effects on the op amp's performance and to ensure that the ground connection is properly connected and stable.
 

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