Power Series Following an example problem

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The discussion revolves around finding a power series solution to a differential equation with variable coefficients, specifically the equation (x - 1)y'' + y' + 2(x - 1)y = 0. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the process of expanding coefficients in the context of power series, particularly when transitioning from constant to variable coefficients.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the necessity of expanding the coefficients of the differential equation when using power series, questioning how this differs from the method used for constant coefficient equations. They seek clarification on whether the coefficients Ai(x) should also be expanded around the point x0.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights into the nature of power series solutions, noting that with variable coefficients, the approach involves more complexity due to the interaction of terms. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's concerns, and a participant suggests that coefficients should be treated as polynomials in (x - x0) to align with the assumed form of y(x).

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The original poster references initial conditions and the specific form of the differential equation, indicating a structured approach to finding a solution while grappling with the implications of variable coefficients on the power series method.

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I am following along in an example problem and I am getting hung up on a step. We are seeking a power series solution of the DE:

[tex](x - 1)y'' + y' +2(x - 1)y = 0 \qquad(1)[/tex]

With the initial values [itex]y(4) = 5 \text{ and }y'(4) = 0[/itex]. We seek the solution in the form

[tex]y(x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n(x - x_o)^n\qquad(2)[/tex]Here it is convenient to let xo = 4. So we seek[tex]y(x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n(x - 4)^n\qquad(3)[/tex]

Here is the book text:

To put (1) in standard form we divide by x - 1 which yields

[tex]y'' + \frac{1}{x - 1}y' + 2y = 0 \qquad(4)[/tex]

Essentially we put (1) in the standard form of (4) so that we can test for analyticity and we find that p(x) and q(x) in [itex]y'' + p(x)y' +q(x)y = 0[/itex] are analytic at xo = 4.

Ok that's all great. Here is where I lose them:
To proceed we can either use the form (1) or (4). Since we are expanding each term in the differential equation about x = 4, we need to expand (x - 1) and 2(x - 1) if we use (1), or the 1/(x - 1) factor if we use (4). The former is easier since [itex]x - 1 = 3 + (x - 4)\qquad(5)[/itex] is merely a two-term Taylor series, whereas 1/(x - 1) is an infinite series ...
I am not sure what is happening here. Why are we expanding the coefficients of the DE (1) ? When we had a simple constant coefficient DE, the procedure was simple: i. assume y(x) takes the form of (2); ii. differentiate (2) as many times as necessary and plug back into DE; iii. tidy up.

Now we have a DE with variable coefficients the procedure is changing a bit, but I am not seeing how.

Let's talk generally for a moment. If I have a DE of the form [itex]A_1(x)y''(x) + A_2(x)y'(x) + A_3(x)y = 0 \qquad(6)[/itex], and I seek the solution in the form of [itex]y(x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n(x - x_o)^n\qquad(2)[/itex], how does the procedure that I outlined above for the constant coefficient case (italicized) change for the case of (6) with the Ai(x) coefficients? Do I need to expand my Ai(x) ' s about xo as well? If yes, why? (I have a feeling I know the answer, but would like verification. I feel like it only makes sense that my coefficients that depend on x should 'track' my assumed y(x). I know that is not very rigorous, but it's all I am coming up with.)

Thanks for reading :smile:
 
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Hi Saladsamurai! :smile:

The power series method ends with adding factors of (x - 4)n, and putting them equal to zero, for each n separately.

With constant coefficients, that's easy … an(x-4)n becomes nan(x-4)n-1 and so on, only one term at a time.

But with linear coefficients, eg p + q(x-4), you get pan and qan-1 in the same equation (ie for the same power of (x-4)).

With quadratic coefficients, you get three terms, and so on (and a Taylor expansion is of course even worse).

For a Taylor expansion, you'd get an infinite number of terms for each power.

Saladsamurai said:
Let's talk generally for a moment. If I have a DE of the form [itex]A_1(x)y''(x) + A_2(x)y'(x) + A_3(x)y = 0 \qquad(6)[/itex], and I seek the solution in the form of [itex]y(x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n(x - x_o)^n\qquad(2)[/itex], how does the procedure that I outlined above for the constant coefficient case (italicized) change for the case of (6) with the Ai(x) coefficients? Do I need to expand my Ai(x) ' s about xo as well? If yes, why? (I have a feeling I know the answer, but would like verification. I feel like it only makes sense that my coefficients that depend on x should 'track' my assumed y(x). I know that is not very rigorous, but it's all I am coming up with.)

(ooh, i like your use of "black"! :wink:)

It's not really a question of expanding the As about x0, rather of turning the As into a polynomial in (x - x0) … though of course it comes to the same thin. :wink:

If your y is a polynomial in (x - x0), then your As must be also. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Saladsamurai! :smile:

The power series method ends with adding factors of (x - 4)n, and putting them equal to zero, for each n separately.

With constant coefficients, that's easy … an(x-4)n becomes nan(x-4)n-1 and so on, only one term at a time.

But with linear coefficients, eg p + q(x-4), you get pan and qan-1 in the same equation (ie for the same power of (x-4)).

With quadratic coefficients, you get three terms, and so on (and a Taylor expansion is of course even worse).

For a Taylor expansion, you'd get an infinite number of terms for each power.



(ooh, i like your use of "black"! :wink:)

It's not really a question of expanding the As about x0, rather of turning the As into a polynomial in (x - x0) … though of course it comes to the same thin. :wink:

If your y is a polynomial in (x - x0), then your As must be also. :smile:


Ok. I think I follow you. Thanks tiny-tim! I think I will figure this out when I go to solve a problem. (I am actually working on one now that I need a hand with; so look out for my next post if you have time :smile: )
 
Hi tiny-tim again :smile:

I am working in another Power Series solution in which [itex]x_o=0[/itex]. I also have that the coefficient of y is a polynomial. I am thinking that because it is polynomial, then the taylor series expansion it about zero is that polynomial. Is this true in general? If we take [tex]TS\left[f(x)\right]_{x_o}[/tex] to mean the Taylor series of f(x) expanded about xo, then if p(x) is some polynomial we have

[tex]TS\left[p(x)\right]_{x_o=0}=p(x)[/tex]

Since by definition:

[tex]TS\left[f(x)\right]_{x_o} = f(x_o) + \frac{f'(x_o)}{1!}(x-x_o)+\frac{f''(x_o)}{2!}(x-x_o)+ \dots[/tex]

Which will give:

[tex]TS\left[p(x)\right]_{x_o} = p(x_o) + \frac{p'(x_o)}{1!}(x)+\frac{p''(x_o)}{2!}(x)+ \dots[/tex]

Which I am thinking is the same as p(x) ... but I am not sure what rule I can use to prove it ...
Any thoughts?
 
Hi Saladsamurai! :smile:

Yes, that's fine … the Taylor series of a polynomial about zero is itself.

The proof is trivial, isn't it? … f(n)xk|x=0 = k! if n = k, and = 0 otherwise. :wink:

(btw, I vaguely remember that that's used in some important proof about differentiating Taylor series … it's considered obvious)
 
Okie dokie! Thanks again! :smile:
 

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