Power Transmission via AC current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanisms of power transmission via alternating current (AC) systems, exploring both theoretical and conceptual understandings of how AC generates power at the electron level. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with electrical systems and engage in clarifying the differences between AC and direct current (DC).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes AC voltage as oscillating between positive and negative, creating an electric field that moves charges, but questions how this transmits power to a load.
  • Another participant contrasts AC with DC, using a river analogy to illustrate how AC can transmit energy without losing it, while DC dissipates quickly.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the concept of AC as "alternating current" and questions how energy can be transmitted if the current direction changes back and forth.
  • One participant suggests that power transmission could be visualized as a longitudinal wave rather than a transverse wave, seeking validation for this perspective.
  • Another participant points out that power equations do not depend on the direction of current flow, implying that current flow itself is sufficient for power delivery.
  • A later reply emphasizes that moving electrons produce a magnetic field that can do work, regardless of whether they move forward (DC) or back and forth (AC).
  • One participant provides a specific example of how AC can power a light bulb by jiggling electrons back and forth, resulting in heat and light without net displacement of electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of AC power transmission, with no consensus reached on the best way to conceptualize the underlying mechanisms. Some participants agree on the basic principles of electron movement, while others challenge the implications of alternating current.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the visualization of AC as a longitudinal wave and the implications of current direction on power transmission. Participants have not fully reconciled their differing analogies and interpretations of AC and DC systems.

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I'm a mechanical engineer and I'm really interested in electrical systems. I understand a fair amount about the basics of E/M and circuits. But no matter how much I read, I can't wrap my head around how AC systems generate power. I do know they work (obviously, right?), but I'm trying to imagine what is actually happening at the electron level. This is my mode of thinking and please let me know where I'm wrong:

An AC voltage source oscillates between a positive and negative voltage (I'm picturing a sine wave). The voltage difference across the circuit creates an electric field that moves charges along the conductor. The positive part of the wave moves charges one way, but the negative part moves the charges back to (roughly) their original positions. Energy is needed to do the work on the charges, but how does this transmit power to the load?
 
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The way I understand it is that AC is waves, DC is current. It is a colloquialism to call AC a current. If you consider a river flowing into the ocean the direct current of the river will be quickly dissipated by friction shortly after it reaches the ocean. But waves can travel a long way on the ocean without losing their energy.

At the electron level DC current is electrons jumping from atom to atom through the load to the negative. AC generator shoves the electrons in the wire which then give a shove to further electrons shove then jump back. The next electrons with the energy received from the shove jump to the next atoms and give them a shove and back again. So on and so forth down the wire.
 
I'm confused, because doesn't AC stand for "alternating current"? I liked your wave analogy, but I don't quite understand it. I don't see how an alternating voltage source can "shove" and "jump back" and still produce energy transmission one way. For me, that's like a zero-sum gain. I guess I'm not picturing it quite the way you are. I would see how you could produce power that way, but only if the wave is unbalanced (e.g. the area under the "positive" part of the wave curve is more than the area under the "negative part").

I was just thinking that maybe I can picture AC as a longitudinal wave instead of a transverse wave and power transmission can occur that way. Does that seem like a good way to describe it?
 
P = I2R

P = IE
Can either of you find in either of those equations where direction of current enters in?

Current flow is current flow, the power delivered does not depend on direction or changing of direction of current.
 
K, I think I understand. For some reason, I never thought of it that way. Thanks!
 
In both AC and DC there are electrons moving in the wire, and moving electrons produce a magnetic field which can be exploited to do work.

Whether the electrons just keep moving forward (DC) or back and forth (AC) doesn't really matter, as long as they're moving.
 
A specific example of how to power something with AC: If you shove electrons through a resistive material (like, say, a light bulb filament) it heats up, regardless of which way the electrons are moving. So by jiggling the electrons in a light bulb back and forth you can make it glow even though the electrons don't experience any net displacement.
 

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