Powering High Voltage LED from Low Voltage Source: Is it Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of powering a high voltage LED (29.3V, 440mA) using a low voltage source (1.5V, 2400mAh). Participants explore various methods and considerations related to power supply requirements, efficiency, and internal resistance of the source.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about powering a high voltage LED from a low voltage source, expressing it as a challenge rather than a necessity.
  • Another participant asks for specific components to clarify the discussion, indicating a need for practical examples.
  • A participant calculates the power requirements, noting that the source must deliver at least 12.9W, factoring in inefficiencies, which leads to a high current requirement (up to 11.5A) from the 1.5V source.
  • There is a suggestion that paralleling multiple cells could achieve the necessary low internal resistance to meet the current demands.
  • A participant shares a link to the LED specifications and mentions testing it with a power supply, noting a current draw of 350mA.
  • Another participant proposes using series connections of cells to reach the required voltage while utilizing the series resistance for current limiting.
  • One participant asserts that an ideal setup could power the LED with a 1.5V battery, humorously referencing the concept of "spherical cows."
  • A participant acknowledges the oversight of internal resistance when using a bench power supply with a current limiter.
  • There is a reiteration of the power supply requirements, emphasizing that a 2400mAh capacity could sustain the current for a limited time, suggesting a preference for series connections for longer duration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using a 1.5V source to power the LED, with some suggesting it is possible under ideal conditions while others highlight significant challenges related to current and internal resistance. No consensus is reached on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions about ideal components, the impact of internal resistance on performance, and the efficiency of the proposed methods. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Wanting to know if it is possible to power a LED with a forward voltage of 29.3V and forward current of 440ma from a 1.5V source with a 2400mAh Capacity?

No particular need for this, more for challenge/knowledge. Have tried methods with a transformer, DC-DC converter, and lm350 constant current. So far I am not having any luck
 
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Are you talking ideal components or can you supply part numbers for real devices you want to use?

BoB
 
It would depend on the current capacity (or internal resistance) of the source.
29.3V x 0.44A = 12.9W soyour power supply must deliver at least this plus energy wasted in converter inefficiency.
So your supply must deliver 12.9W / 1.5V = 8.6A plus current to cover inefficiency.
If you had a converter with say 75% efficiency, the current drain would need to be about 11.5A while maintaining 1.5V.
If the voltage drops with load current, as it usually does, then the needed current increases further.
This is the killer for you, as it means (I think*) you need a 1.5V cell with an internal resistance of less than 33mΩ. Maybe there is one, but I don't know about anything close.

* I reasoned that you need 12.9W at 75% efficiency = 17.2W.
The cell supplies maximum power when the load resistance equals the internal resistance and half the emf is across the internal R and half across the load.
So you get 0.75V output to give 17.2W = 23A. This is equivalent to a resistance of 0.75V/23A = 0.033Ω.
 
On second thoughts, you could achieve a very low internal resistance by paralleling many cells, so it's not a problem!
100 AA alkaline cells would probably get well below the requirement and give you more than 1200mAH.
 
Merlin3189 said:
paralleling many cells

In that case just put them in series until you get to the required voltage. Plan it right and you can use the series resistance of the cells for your limiting resistor.

helofrind said:
a 1.5V source with a 2400mAh Capacity

Sounds like a single lithium primary AA battery to me. The short answer on that is that no you can't light the specified LED with that battery. A strobe effect may be possible with the proper circuit.

BoB
 
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helofrind said:
I only need ideal components.

Then yes you certainly could run that led with an ideal 1.5V 2400mAh battery. Using and ideal step up supply you will get 1000 seconds of run time. This set up is often used for finding your spherical cows at night.

BoB
 
I forgot to consider internal resistance of battery, been using bench power supply at 1.5 V with 3 amp limiter.
 
helofrind said:
Wanting to know if it is possible to power a LED with a forward voltage of 29.3V and forward current of 440ma from a 1.5V source with a 2400mAh Capacity?

Merlin3189 said:
So your supply must deliver 12.9W / 1.5V = 8.6A...

..and a 2400mAH could supply that for about 16mins.

If you need longer it would be better to use more cells in series than in parallel.
 

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