Predicting molecular shape without drawing lewis structure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for predicting the molecular shape of molecules without drawing Lewis structures. Participants explore the feasibility and reliability of alternative approaches, particularly in the context of preparing for standardized exams like the ACS exam.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests determining the steric number by counting total electrons and adjusting for bonded molecules, but acknowledges this method may not always be accurate due to the complexity of double and triple bonds.
  • Another participant mentions that experience allows for quick comparisons to a mental database of common molecular shapes, but emphasizes that writing things down is crucial for avoiding mistakes on standardized tests.
  • A different participant shares their experience that molecular geometry can still be surprising, particularly with transition metals, and advocates for a systematic approach to learning.
  • There is a reference to a saying about the importance of detail and practice in learning, suggesting that a careful approach may lead to greater speed and accuracy over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability of quick methods for predicting molecular shapes, with some advocating for systematic approaches while others highlight the potential for experience-based shortcuts. No consensus is reached on a definitive method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the proposed methods, particularly regarding the handling of multiple bonds and the need for systematic approaches to avoid errors.

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This discussion may be useful for students preparing for chemistry exams, particularly those interested in molecular geometry and alternative methods for predicting molecular shapes.

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Is their a method for predicting the molecular shape of molecules without drawing the Lewis structure?

I am preparing for an ACS exam and would like to try to save some time on these problems. I think I could determine the steric number by counting the total electrons available, and subtracting the product of the number of bonded molecules x 8. The remaining electrons would be counted as lone pairs.

I don't think this would be accurate all the time because it does not account for double, triple bonds etc.

Is their "quick" way to predict molecular shape that is more reliable.

Thanks
 
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Simply put: yes, but with a good bit of experience which it sounds like you don't have (no offense intended, just a reality check). I have a sort of "database" of molecules with common shapes in my head which I can make quick comparisons to when I'm encountering a new molecule. That's usually my starting point.

For standardized tests, though, my advice is to do it by the book. Writing things down helps you avoid mistakes, which are incredibly easy to make on standardized tests.
 
DDTea said:
Simply put: yes, but with a good bit of experience which it sounds like you don't have (no offense intended, just a reality check). I have a sort of "database" of molecules with common shapes in my head which I can make quick comparisons to when I'm encountering a new molecule. That's usually my starting point.

For standardized tests, though, my advice is to do it by the book. Writing things down helps you avoid mistakes, which are incredibly easy to make on standardized tests.

I'm a first year student taking general chemistry 1
 
And I've completed my degree and molecular geometry still often surprises me unless I approach it in a systematic way. It can get interesting with transition metals especially.

There's a saying from the Marine corps: slow is smooth and smooth is fast. What it means is that when you're learning something, start slow and pay attention to detail. With time and practice, speed will come.
 

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