Pressure and the Young-Laplace Equation

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The discussion centers on determining when to apply the Young-Laplace equation in fluid dynamics, particularly in the context of a rotating cylinder with gravity affecting the fluid meniscus. The participants explore the conditions under which surface tension forces can be considered negligible, referencing dimensionless groups like the Bond number and the newly introduced McCraney number. They derive a parabolic meniscus profile and discuss the implications of pressure distribution, noting discrepancies between expected pressure behavior at the center versus the edges of the fluid surface. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the balance of forces at the free surface and integrating these forces correctly to derive meaningful results. Ultimately, the participants aim to clarify the role of surface tension and pressure in their fluid dynamics analysis.
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joshmccraney said:
$$-\sigma\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)+s_0^2\rho g Z(S)+\sigma\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)_{S=0}=s_0^3\frac{\rho \omega^2R^2(S)}{2}$$
Is this what you had in mind?
Yes. Now divide the equation by ##\rho \omega^2 s^3_0##. What do you get?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes. Now divide the equation by ##\rho \omega^2 s^3_0##. What do you get?
$$\frac{\sigma}{\rho \omega^2 s^3_0}\left[\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)_{S=0}-\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)\right]+\frac{g }{\omega^2 s_0}Z(S)=\frac{R^2(S)}{2}$$ Starting to look like the "McCraney number".
 
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joshmccraney said:
$$\frac{\sigma}{\rho \omega^2 s^3_0}\left[\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)_{S=0}-\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)\right]+\frac{g }{\omega^2 s_0}Z(S)=\frac{R^2(S)}{2}$$ Starting to look like the "McCraney number".
Good. Now, there are a couple of ways to proceed further with the dimensional analysis. One way is to now set ##s_0=g/\omega^2##, so that the coefficient of Z is unity. What does this give you?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Good. Now, there are a couple of ways to proceed further with the dimensional analysis. One way is to now set ##s_0=g/\omega^2##, so that the coefficient of Z is unity. What does this give you?
Awesome, this is perfect. Thanks so much!
$$M\left[\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)_{S=0}-\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)\right]+Z(S)=\frac{R^2(S)}{2}$$
 
  • #35
joshmccraney said:
Awesome, this is perfect. Thanks so much!
$$M\left[\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)_{S=0}-\left(\frac{\sin\phi}{R}+\frac{d\phi}{dS}\right)\right]+Z(S)=\frac{R^2(S)}{2}$$
The important thing is to assimilate this kind of methodology for reducing the equations for a system to dimensionless form.
 
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  • #36
Chestermiller said:
Good. Now, there are a couple of ways to proceed further with the dimensional analysis. One way is to now set ##s_0=g/\omega^2##, so that the coefficient of Z is unity. What does this give you?

Chestermiller said:
The important thing is to assimilate this kind of methodology for reducing the equations for a system to dimensionless form.
I couldn't agree more. How did you know to scale ##Z## with ##R^2##, which is to say what to set as ##O(1)##?
 
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joshmccraney said:
I couldn't agree more. How did you know to scale ##Z## with ##R^2##, which is to say what to set as ##O(1)##?
I wanted the terms for the case of zero surface tension to be preserved in the limit of zero surface tension.
 
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