Pressure Decay Equation: P1-P0 e-(A/V)t + P0 Explained

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The discussion revolves around understanding the pressure decay equation for a sealed assembly, specifically the equation P = (P1-P0)e^(-(A/V)t) + P0. Participants explore the definitions of the terms involved, particularly the A/V term, its relationship to leak rates, and the underlying assumptions regarding the assembly's properties and behavior over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jackstraw seeks clarification on the term "A" in the context of the pressure decay equation, noting its units appear to relate to leak rate.
  • Simon suggests that the rate of pressure drop is proportional to the pressure difference, introducing a mathematical formulation involving a constant of proportionality k, which is linked to A/V.
  • Jackstraw provides specific data from an old document, including values for A/V and associated leak rates, indicating a need to understand the mathematical relationship between these values.
  • Another participant mentions that the A/V term was derived from regression analysis of log-pressure against time, implying a statistical approach to determining the relationship.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the A value is influenced by various factors such as gas molecular structure, temperature, and seal type, suggesting it is more empirical than theoretical.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the A/V term and its implications, with no consensus reached on the exact mathematical relationship or the derivation of A. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives on how to approach the problem.

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Limitations include the lack of explicit definitions for all terms in the equation, potential dependencies on specific conditions such as temperature and gas type, and the absence of detailed mathematical derivations for the relationships discussed.

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I am trying to understand an equation that I found in an old document concerning pressure decay of a sealed assembly. The assembly is pressurized and over time decays to 1 atmosphere ambient pressure.
The equation P = (P1-P0)e(-(A/V)t) + P0 is used but not all the terms are defined

P = pressure at time t in psia
P1 = starting pressure in psia
P0 = ambient pressure in psia
t = time in hours

I have assumed V = assembly volume in cubic inches

The A/V term in the exponent is referred to as a time constant. I can use the equation for my data analysis but would like a better understanding of "A". Its units appear to be volume over time and is related to leak rate.

Hoping someone can shed some light. Thanks
Jackstraw
 
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Welcome to PF;

You'd probably guess that the rate the inside pressure drops at time t would be proportional to the inside-outside pressure difference at the same time t. The way you say this in math is:

##\small{\dot P=-k(P-P_0)}## ... k is a constant of proportionality.

You can see that k has to have dimensions of 1/T for the equation to balance.

The equation you've found is the solution with k=A/V and P(0)=P1

What was it you needed to understand?
 
Thank you Simon, that helps. The original work (this is a set of hardcopy, old presentation charts from 1991) makes reference to a relationship between the leak rate expressed in atm cc/s and the A/V term. I have not been able to work out the math.
In a table, A/V term 0.93931 is associated with a leak rate of 4.5 X 10-5 atm cc/s
(1272 psi cubic inches/yr) and this is stated to be the specification.
A second A/V term, 0.13238 is associated with 4.7 X 10-6 atm cc/s (133 psi cubic inches/yr).
The volume of the assembly is 177 cubic inches in the first case and 220 in the second.
P1 is 19.3 psia and P0 is 14.696 psia.
Temperature is constant at 25oC.
The assembly contains dry N2 with a He tracer for leak testing.
The 0.13238 was found by fitting the curve to the data. The author (haven't been able to track him/her down) equates 0.13238 to the 4.7 X 10-6 atm cc/s but doesn't show the math. That mathematical relationship is what I'm trying to work out.
Given the units of leak rate, it appears the gas constant is part of the equation which would mean the volume of gas in moles may be part of it as well.
Thanks,

Jackstraw
 
The 0.13238 was found by fitting the curve to the data. The author (haven't been able to track him/her down) equates 0.13238 to the 4.7 X 10-6 atm cc/s but doesn't show the math. That mathematical relationship is what I'm trying to work out.
Well it was found by regression analysis from data right?
He'd have plotted log-pressure against time to get a line with slope A/V then used least-squares.

Off the units - gas volume in length-units is all that is needed.

In a table, A/V term 0.93931 is associated with a leak rate of 4.5 X 10-5 atm cc/s

So if r is this specific leak rate, notice [r]=[volume][pressure][time]-1
Then A=r(P-P0) is (modeled) volume of gas escaping the equipment per unit time and A/V is the proportion of the overall volume that escapes per unit time.

If all those figures come from one bit of equipment then it may be safe to say the volume is the same each time. Then you can find out the individual A and P values by simultaneous equations.

The A value will depend on a great many more fundamental variables like the molecular structure of the gas, it's temperature, the type of seal... so it's something you measure rather than calculate. i.e. the gas constant, the molar mass etc. is already a part of the value of A.
 
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