Pressure gradient causes conservative force?

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The discussion centers on whether the force that accelerates a fluid between two points of different pressure is conservative. The force per unit volume is defined as ## \vec{f}_v=-\nabla P ##, and while the vector identity ## \nabla \times \nabla P=0 ## suggests a conservative nature, real fluids exhibit viscous damping forces that render the overall forces non-conservative. The analysis concludes that while the pressure gradient component may be considered conservative, the presence of viscous forces negates this classification. Additionally, the discussion touches on the derivation of Archimedes' principle from the pressure gradient force.

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Is the force that accelerates afluid between two points of different pressure conservative?
 
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A very interesting question. Since the force per unit volume is ## \vec{f}_v=-\nabla P ## , and ## \nabla \times \nabla P=0 ##, (a vector identity that is commonly known from E&M theory), you might think that could be possible. In a real fluid however, there will also be viscous damping forces on the volume that are part of the total force equation that are often left out of the equation ## \vec{f}_v=-\nabla P ##. ## \\ ## So that the answer is the forces in a liquid are non-conservative, even though the part that comes from the minus of the pressure gradient could be considered to be conservative. ## \\ ## Note: This is my own analysis=others may agree or disagree=this is the first time I have encountered this question. ## \\ ## Additional note: You could think of these forces as acting on a small object of finite volume that is placed in the fluid. (And of course gravity will also act on the object, which is a conservative force).
 
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Thank you so much for your answer
It is clear
 
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Alkmini Moschoviti said:
Thank you so much for your answer
It is clear
I added one more part above, about the force of gravity on an object in the fluid=be sure and see that. ## \\ ## Additional item: There is a vector identity, ## \int \nabla P \, d^3 x=\int P \, \hat{n} dA ##, (where ## \hat{n} ## is the outward pointing normal), and to have equilibrium, ## -\delta g \, \hat{z}+-\nabla P= 0 ##, (where ## \delta ## is the density (mass per unit volume)), so that you can actually derive Archimedes' principle from the pressure gradient force.
 
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