Pressure on the Bottom of a tank

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The discussion revolves around calculating the water force on the bottom and sides of a lobster tank in a restaurant, with specific dimensions and water density provided. The subject area includes fluid mechanics, particularly focusing on pressure and force in a static fluid context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of pressure and force equations, questioning the need for gravity in calculations when using pounds as units. There is mention of using integrals for calculating forces on the sides of the tank due to varying pressure with depth.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the relationship between mass and weight, and the necessity of considering pressure variations for the sides of the tank. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical approach needed for a complete solution.

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Participants note the complexity of integrating to find total force on the sides due to the depth-dependent pressure, while also expressing uncertainty about the relevance of certain calculations for the bottom of the tank.

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Homework Statement



A lobster tank in a restaurant is 8 ft long by 7 ft wide by 2 ft deep. Find the water force on the bottom and on each of the four sides. The density of water is 62.4 lb/ft3.

Homework Equations



Pressure = density * gravity * height
Force = Pressure * Area

The Attempt at a Solution



Force on the bottom = density * gravity * height * area
= 62.4g(2)(56)

It is asking for the Force in Lb
In my book we used integrals for this type of problem but I don't see the point..

I'm trying to put the answer in webassign.

For the sides would it be the same equation without gravity, as gravity is only in play in the up and down directions?
 
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First, you should review the difference between mass and weight to understand why you do not need to multiply by g if your units are in pounds.

For the sides you are going to need to do calculus (not terribly hard calculus, but calculus nonetheless). The water pressure pushes equally in ALL directions, including out to the sides. So there is force from the water on the sides of the lobster tank, and the amount of force in any small area of the tank is going to depend on the water pressure at the depth of that area
 
Office_Shredder said:
First, you should review the difference between mass and weight to understand why you do not need to multiply by g if your units are in pounds.


Ahh, yes. The notes I wrote down were throwing me off, they weren't in lbs like i was assuming.
 
marc017 said:

Homework Statement



A lobster tank in a restaurant is 8 ft long by 7 ft wide by 2 ft deep. Find the water force on the bottom and on each of the four sides. The density of water is 62.4 lb/ft3.


Homework Equations



Pressure = density * gravity * height
Force = Pressure * Area

The Attempt at a Solution



Force on the bottom = density * gravity * height * area
= 62.4g(2)(56)

It is asking for the Force in Lb
In my book we used integrals for this type of problem but I don't see the point..
There is no point if you are finding the total force on the bottom because the pressure at each point is the same. But if you want to find the total force on the sides, the pressure varies with depth. Imagine a thin strip across a side at a specific height, z, and thickness dz. The pressure is given by the height of water above that height. Since the 2 feet deep, the height of water above z is 2- z. The weight of water pressing down is 64.2(2- z)(dz). That's the force on that strip. To find the total force on the side, integrate that for z going from 0 to 2.

I'm trying to put the answer in webassign.

For the sides would it be the same equation without gravity, as gravity is only in play in the up and down directions?
"Without gravity" there would be no force! A fluid, such as a liquid or a gas, presses in all directions, not just up or down. The sideways force due to water at every point is exactly the same as the downward force, the density times the volume of water above that point.
 

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