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When does the probabilistic nature of QM breakdown?

Is it just as a the system gets larger, it's less probabilistic?

Is it just as a the system gets larger, it's less probabilistic?

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Is it just as a the system gets larger, it's less probabilistic?

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Maybe it's interesting for you to study decoherence which explains to some extent the emergence of a "classical world" from quantum mechanical systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0312059

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0105127

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We need to wait and see the results of various experiments taking place, whereby putting a heavy mirror (I think 40kg) - definite a large mirror in size, so macroscopic, into a superposition of two distinct macroscopic states (in this case the observable position). There is a book reference I cannot find now, but there is notes on making clear that we are seeing distinct MACROSCOPIC states, conforming to certain (minimum) standards, as to ascert e.g. between a live and dead cat. I will try find it later, and if I can, will post it in this thread.

Do note, even though we find macroscopic superposition occurs, we still need to rule out macrorealism - even using the Leggett-Garg inequality, WITHOUT the use of coarse-grain measurements.

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... decoherence which explains tosome extentthe emergence of a classical world ...

Suppose there's a spin 1/2 particle with with +1/2 and -1/2 states. Decoherence explains the emergence of a classical probability distribution 50% - 50% for +1/2 - -1/2, but

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Do note that decoherence is "for all practical purposes" (FAPP). In principle, at least according to QM, no to a classical world (i.e. definite state) occurs. We still have a measurement problem on our hands.

We need to wait and see the results of various experiments place, whereby putting a (I think 40kg) - definite a large mirror in size, so macroscopic, into a superposition of two distinct macroscopic states (in this case the observable position). There is a book reference I cannot find now, but there is notes on making clear that we are seeing distinct MACROSCOPIC states, conforming to certain (minimum) standards, as to ascert e.g. between a live and dead cat. I will try find it later, and if I can, will post it in this thread.

Do note, even though we find macroscopic superposition occurs, we still need to rule out macrorealism - even using the Leggett-Garg inequality, WITHOUT the use of coarse-grain measurements.

right and more succintly;

how does a diagonal density matrix turn into a definite outcome.

decoherence does not answer that.

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a good parameters at:

Phys. Rev. Lett. 106, 220401 (2011)

Quantification of Macroscopic Quantum Superpositions

http://prl..org/abstract/PRL/v106/i22/e220401 [Broken]

...we propose a novel measure to quantify macroscopic quantum superpositions. Our measure simultaneously quantifies two different kinds of essential information for a given quantum state in a harmonious manner: the degree of quantum coherence and the effective size of the physical system that involves the superposition. It enjoys remarkably good analytical and algebraic properties. It turns out to be the most general and inclusive measure ever proposed that it can be applied to any types of multipartite states and mixed states represented in phase space...

Phys. Rev. Lett. 106, 220401 (2011)

Quantification of Macroscopic Quantum Superpositions

http://prl..org/abstract/PRL/v106/i22/e220401 [Broken]

...we propose a novel measure to quantify macroscopic quantum superpositions. Our measure simultaneously quantifies two different kinds of essential information for a given quantum state in a harmonious manner: the degree of quantum coherence and the effective size of the physical system that involves the superposition. It enjoys remarkably good analytical and algebraic properties. It turns out to be the most general and inclusive measure ever proposed that it can be applied to any types of multipartite states and mixed states represented in phase space...

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I will study up on the links, and post any questions in this thread!

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a good parameters at:

Phys. Rev. Lett. 106, 220401 (2011)

Quantification of Macroscopic Quantum Superpositions

http://prl..org/abstract/PRL/v106/i22/e220401 [Broken]

...we propose a novel measure to quantify macroscopic quantum superpositions. Our measure simultaneously quantifies two different kinds of essential information for a given quantum state in a harmonious manner: the degree of quantum coherence and the effective size of the physical system that involves the superposition. It enjoys remarkably good analytical and algebraic properties. It turns out to be the most general and inclusive measure ever proposed that it can be applied to any types of multipartite states and mixed states represented in phase space...

Yes thanks from me as well.

And I think this is the above (original link gave me problems):

Chang-Woo Lee, Hyunseok Jeong

http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.1209

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