Probability Distribution/Random Variable problem.

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving rolling a die four times and determining the probability distribution of the smallest face observed. The original poster seeks to find the probabilities for various outcomes of the smallest face, specifically P(X=1) through P(X=5).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of probabilities for the smallest face observed, with one participant suggesting the use of complementary probabilities and disjoint cases for P(X=1). Others inquire about the methods for calculating P(X=2) through P(X=5) and express confusion regarding the approach.

Discussion Status

Some guidance has been provided on calculating P(X=1) using complementary probabilities. Participants are exploring various methods for calculating the remaining probabilities, with suggestions to use disjoint cases. There is an ongoing inquiry into the appropriate approaches for the other values of X.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the probabilities for all possible outcomes should sum to 1, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the calculations for P(X=2) through P(X=5). The original poster expresses confusion about the next steps in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Roll a dice 4 times
X = smallest face observed
P(X=6) = 1/1296

Find:
P(X=1)
P(X=2)
P(X=3)
P(X=4)
P(X=5)

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The Attempt at a Solution



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The issue is that the sum of numerators don't equal the denominator and I'm pretty sure it has to.
 
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Your calculation for [itex]P(X = 1)[/itex] is incorrect.

[itex]X = 1[/itex] iff at least one face is 1. The complement of this event is "no face is 1." So I can calculate the probability as follows:

[tex]P(X = 1) = 1 - P(\textrm{no face is 1}) = 1 - \left(5/6\right)^4 = 671/1296[/tex]

Another, more laborious way to do this is to break the event down into disjoint cases that are easier to calculate:

"at least face is 1" is the disjoint union of the following:

"exactly one face is 1"
"exactly two faces are 1"
"exactly three faces are 1"
"exactly four faces are 1"

So you can calculate the probabilities of these four events and add them to get the answer.

The probability of exactly one face is

[tex]{4 \choose 1}(1/6)^1(5/6)^3[/tex]

and so forth.

I didn't check your answers for P(X = 2) etc. You are correct that the probabilities of the 6 events you listed should add to 1.
 
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^Thanks. What would I do to get P(X=2)...P(X=5)? I'm confused on what to do for the other faces.
 
For P(X = 2), I think you have to do disjoint cases as in my second method above.

"the smallest face is 2" is the disjoint union of the following events:

"exactly one face is 2, and the other faces are all > 2"
"exactly two faces are 2, and the other faces are all > 2"
"exactly three faces are 2, and the other faces are all > 2"
"all four faces are 2"

The probability of the first of these events is

[tex]{4 \choose 1}(1/6)^1(4/6)^3[/tex]

and you can calculate the others similarly.

This method should work for P(X=3),...,P(X=5) as well. There might be a simpler short-cut, as there was with P(X = 1), but I don't see one.
 

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