Probability of being dealt one pair from a 52-card deck

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of being dealt one pair in a 5-card hand from a standard 52-card deck. The original poster presents an approach that involves combinatorial reasoning and attempts to draw an analogy from a different probability problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster outlines a multi-stage reasoning process to determine the probability, including selecting denominations and suits. Some participants question the validity of this approach, suggesting alternative ways to group the cards and calculate the probabilities.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, offering insights and corrections. There is a recognition of differing methods for counting the hands, and some guidance has been provided regarding the necessity of certain factors in the calculations.

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There is mention of a discrepancy between the original poster's calculations and the answer provided in a textbook, which has led to further exploration of the reasoning behind the counting methods used.

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Homework Statement



Since no one wants to answer my heat conductor problem (*hint hint*), here's a more interesting one.

If it is assumed that all (52 choose 5) poker hands are equally likely, what is the probability of being deal one pair? (This occurs when the cards have denominations a, a, b, c, d, where a, b, c, and d are all distinct.)

Homework Equations



Basic rules of probability

The Attempt at a Solution



First, let me harken back to an example in the book and then employ the same reasoning.

For instance, suppose 5 people are to be randomly selected from a group of 20 individuals consisting of 10 married couples, and we want to determine the probability that the 5 chosen are unrelated.

The book then goes on to say that we can think of this as a

six-stage experiment: In the first stage, 5 of the 10 couples to have a member in the group are chosen; in the next 5 stages, 1 of the 2 members of each of these couples is selected.

This gives the result (10 choose 5)*25 / (20 choose 5).

Now, it seems like I can use an analogous 5-stage experiment.

Stage 1:

We'll have 4 different denominations represented. The number of ways to choose these is (13 choose 4).

Stage 2:

Then, from 1 of the chosen denominations, we'll have (4 choose 2) different suits to complete our pair.

Stages 3-5:

Then we'll choose 4 different suits from each of the remaining 3 denominations, which allows for 43 possibilities.

Since the total number of ways to be dealt 5 cards from a deck of 52 is (52 choose 5), the probability of getting a single pair is therefore

(13 choose 4) * (4 choose 2) * 43 / (52 choose 5).

However, this isn't the answer in the back of the book. :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown:

Explain my fallacious reasoning.
 
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Jamin2112 said:

Homework Statement



Since no one wants to answer my heat conductor problem (*hint hint*), here's a more interesting one.

If it is assumed that all (52 choose 5) poker hands are equally likely, what is the probability of being deal one pair? (This occurs when the cards have denominations a, a, b, c, d, where a, b, c, and d are all distinct.)

Homework Equations



Basic rules of probability

The Attempt at a Solution



First, let me harken back to an example in the book and then employ the same reasoning.



The book then goes on to say that we can think of this as a



This gives the result (10 choose 5)*25 / (20 choose 5).

Now, it seems like I can use an analogous 5-stage experiment.

Stage 1:

We'll have 4 different denominations represented. The number of ways to choose these is (13 choose 4).

Stage 2:

Then, from 1 of the chosen denominations, we'll have (4 choose 2) different suits to complete our pair.

Stages 3-5:

Then we'll choose 4 different suits from each of the remaining 3 denominations, which allows for 43 possibilities.

Since the total number of ways to be dealt 5 cards from a deck of 52 is (52 choose 5), the probability of getting a single pair is therefore

(13 choose 4) * (4 choose 2) * 43 / (52 choose 5).

However, this isn't the answer in the back of the book. :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown:

Explain my fallacious reasoning.

It would have been helpful to tell us what the book's answer was. However, I think your reasoning by analogy starts off incorrectly. You seem to break up the cards into 4 groups of 13, but I think the way the book's reasoning went, they would have broken the cards into 13 groups of 4, then ask whether they get two from the same group and 3 from three other distinct groups.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
It would have been helpful to tell us what the book's answer was. However, I think your reasoning by analogy starts off incorrectly. You seem to break up the cards into 4 groups of 13, but I think the way the book's reasoning went, they would have broken the cards into 13 groups of 4, then ask whether they get two from the same group and 3 from three other distinct groups.

RGV

The book's answer is [13*(4 choose 2)*12*(4 choose 1)*11*(4 choose 1)*10*(4 choose 1) / 3!] / (52 choose 5)
 
Your count for the number of hands is
$$\binom{13}{4} \binom{4}{2} 4^3 = \frac{13 \times 12 \times 11 \times 10}{4 \times 3 \times 2 \times 1}\binom{4}{2}4^3$$ while the book's is
$$\binom{13}{1} \binom{4}{2} \binom{12}{3}4^3 = \frac{13}{1}\times \frac{12 \times 11 \times 10}{3 \times 2 \times 1} \binom{4}{2} 4^3$$ The only difference between your answer and the book's answer is a factor of 4. Can you see why the factor of 4 needs to be there?
 
vela said:
Can you see why the factor of 4 needs to be there?


Because after choosing 4 denominations from 13, I then had 4 choices to which I could assign the pair. Correct?
 
Right.
 

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