Problem about an impulse and a spring

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving impulse and a spring, focusing on the conservation of momentum and mechanical energy. Participants are exploring the conditions for maximum compression of the spring when two masses interact.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and energy, attempting to relate the velocities of two masses involved. Questions arise about the conditions for maximum spring compression and the relationship between the movements of the masses.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the conditions for maximum compression and exploring the relationship between the velocities of the masses. Some guidance has been provided regarding the timing of maximum compression, but no consensus has been reached on the exact expressions needed.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Momentum conservation
Conservation of mechanical energy

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I tried conserving momentum,
##P=mv_{1} + Mv_{2}##
and then conserving M.E.,
P^2/(2m)=1/2##mv_1{1}^2## + 1/2##Mv_{2}^2##
After that I can't seem to relate v1 and v2. Also can someone tell me the condition when maximum compression of spring is obtained ?
 

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ubergewehr273 said:
Also can someone tell me the condition when maximum compression of spring is obtained ?
What do you think? Can you think of an expression for how fast the compression of the spring is growing?
 
Orodruin said:
What do you think? Can you think of an expression for how fast the compression of the spring is growing?
I think when mass m stops moving relative to the ground is when max compression occurs.
 
ubergewehr273 said:
I think when mass m stops moving relative to the ground is when max compression occurs.
This is not correct. Can you give an expression for the spring length as a function of the positions of the masses?
 
Orodruin said:
This is not correct. Can you give an expression for the spring length as a function of the positions of the masses?
If mass m moves by x1 wrt mass M and mass M moves by x2 wrt ground then spring compression will be x1-x2.
 
Right, so what is the time derivative of that expression? That would be the change in the compression per time. What does this tell you about when the compression is maximal?
 
Orodruin said:
Right, so what is the time derivative of that expression? That would be the change in the compression per time. What does this tell you about when the compression is maximal?
So compression is maximum when both masses have equal velocities.
 
ubergewehr273 said:
So compression is maximum when both masses have equal velocities.
Yes. If the upper block moves faster, the string will be compressing, if it is moving slower it will be decompressing. This should give you enough information to solve your original question.
 

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