Problem about uniformed charged ring and a charge in the center

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The problem involves a charge Q uniformly distributed on a ring and a charge q placed at the center of the ring. An electron is projected along the axis of the ring from infinity and comes to a halt at a specific point on the axis. Participants are tasked with determining the initial speed of the electron at infinity based on the given parameters.

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  • Participants discuss the application of potential energy and kinetic energy equations to find the initial speed of the electron. Some question the roles of points A and B in the problem setup. Others share their calculations and results, noting discrepancies in values and formulas used.

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There is an ongoing exchange of calculations and interpretations of the problem. Some participants have provided numerical results that are close to the given answer choices, while others are clarifying the definitions of the charges involved. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer yet.

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Participants have noted potential confusion regarding the signs and values of the charges involved, as well as the distances relevant to the problem. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of formulas and understanding the physical setup.

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Homework Statement


A charge Q = - 710 nC is uniformly distributed on a ring of 2.4 m radius. A charge q = + 350 nC is placed at the center of the ring. Points A and B are located on the axis of the ring, as shown. In Figure below, an electron is projected along the axis of the ring from infinity. The electron reaches and comes to a momentary halt at a point on the axis which is 5.0 m from the center of the ring. The initial speed of the electron at infinity is closest to:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3900/q6g1.jpg

a) 1.4*10^7 m/s
b) 9.1*10^6 m/s
c) 6.9*10^6 m/s
d) 4.6*10^6 m/s
e)2.3*10^6 m/s

Homework Equations


U=ke*q1q2/r1r2
V=ke*Q/sqrt(x^2+a^2)
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7096/picture1oxd.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution


1/2 mv^2=ke*q1q2/r12+ke*Q*qe/sqrt(x^2+a^2)

plug in number, solve for v and i don't find any answer similar with my result, is there something wrong with my solution ?
 
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In the problem what is the role of point A and B?
 
rl.bhat said:
In the problem what is the role of point A and B?

i believe it is use for the next question
 
I have got 1.58*107, what is somewhat similar to first choice. Your formulas look reasonable. My calculations are:

Ring radius 2.4 m
distance from center to halt point 5 m
distance from ring to halt point 5.5 m
q (charge at center) -7.10E-07 C
Q (charge at ring) 3.50E-07 C
Electron charge -1.60E-19 C
Electron mass 9.11E-31 kg
Vacuum permittivity 8.85E-12 C^2 N^−1 m^−2
Potential energy from the ring -9.09E-17 Dj
Potential energy from the central change 2.04E-16 Dj
Total potential energy 1.14E-16 Dj
Velocity 1.58E+07 m/s
 
edgerandy said:

The Attempt at a Solution


1/2 mv^2=ke*q1q2/r12+ke*Q*qe/sqrt(x^2+a^2)

By q1q2 do you mean q*qe ?
 
Privalov said:
I have got 1.58*107, what is somewhat similar to first choice. Your formulas look reasonable. My calculations are:

Ring radius 2.4 m
distance from center to halt point 5 m
distance from ring to halt point 5.5 m
q (charge at center) -7.10E-07 C
Q (charge at ring) 3.50E-07 C
Electron charge -1.60E-19 C
Electron mass 9.11E-31 kg
Vacuum permittivity 8.85E-12 C^2 N^−1 m^−2
Potential energy from the ring -9.09E-17 Dj
Potential energy from the central change 2.04E-16 Dj
Total potential energy 1.14E-16 Dj
Velocity 1.58E+07 m/s

i am very appreciate ur help, it is just i did not have the result like u
there is a little bit problem with ur solution, that is q (charge at center) is 3.50e-07 C and Q(charge at ring) is -7.10e-07 C, not other way around
 
edgerandy said:
q (charge at center) is 3.50e-07 C and Q(charge at ring) is -7.10e-07 C, not other way around

My mistake. The right answer is choice A then.

Ring radius 2.4 m
distance from center to halt point 5 m
distance from ring to halt point 5.5 m
q (charge at center) 3.50E-07 C
Q (charge at ring) -7.10E-07 C
Electron charge -1.60E-19 C
Electron mass 9.11E-31 kg
Vacuum permittivity 8.85E-12 C^2 N^−1 m^−2
Potential energy from the ring 1.84E-16 Dj
Potential energy from the central change -1.01E-16 Dj
Total potential energy 8.35E-17 Dj
Velocity 1.4E+07 m/s
 

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