Problem involving moment components and angles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of a force acting on an industrial robot's gripper, specifically focusing on the angles and components of the force in relation to the robot's linkages. The context includes the application of the moment components method in a mechanical engineering scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to determine the moment of a 60 lb side load about joint A, questioning the correct angle to use for force component calculations.
  • Another participant challenges the initial angle of 140 degrees, suggesting that most right angles are 90 degrees and that BC is at 55 degrees above the horizontal.
  • A participant clarifies that the 140 degrees refers to the force's direction relative to the xy coordinate frame at point A, expressing uncertainty about which angles to use for force components.
  • One suggestion is made to calculate the moment in component form by finding the components of the 60 lb force relative to the x-y axis, noting the angle BC makes with the x-axis.
  • A participant proposes that the correct angle for calculations might be 35 degrees, derived from subtracting known angles.
  • Another participant prompts consideration of the force vector's position and quadrant to confirm the angle's correctness, suggesting the use of a protractor for verification.
  • One participant concludes that 35 degrees is the reference angle, leading to a discussion about the actual angle being 145 degrees due to the need for a negative component.
  • A later reply agrees with the conclusion about the angle, indicating some level of consensus on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct angle to use for the force components, with multiple competing views on the calculations and interpretations of angles. While there is some agreement on the reference angle being 35 degrees, the overall discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about angles and the dependence on the definitions of the coordinate system used. The mathematical steps involved in calculating the moment are not fully resolved.

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Gripper C of the industrial robot is accidentally subjected to a 60 lb side load directed perpendicular to BC (see attachment). The lengths of the robot's links are AB = 22 in and BC = 18 in. By using the moment components method, determine the moment of the force about the center of joint A.

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M = Fd (d is the lever arm)3
I'm not sure what angle to use when calculating the components of the 60 lb force. Is the 60 lb force at a 140° angle with the coordinate plane given at point A? Since this is the first step of the problem, I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly.
 

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I don't know where you get 140 deg. from. Most right angles are 90 deg., and BC is 55 deg. above the horizontal.
 
The 140 degrees was referring to the direction of the force (in relation to the xy coordinate frame that's given at point A). I don't know which angles to use to calculate the force components. Would I use 55 degrees?
 
You want the moment calculated about A in component form. I suggest you find out what the components of the 60-lb Force are relative to the x-y axis. You know what angle BC makes with the x-axis, and the force is acting a right angles to BC.
 
So the correct angle would be:

180-90-55 = 35 degrees?

I think I may have just over thought this...
 
Take a look at the force vector. Look at the position of the arrow head relative to the opposite end of the vector. What quadrant is the arrow head in. Is that the same quadrant that an angle of 35 degrees would be in?

If these things are confusing, you can always use a protractor to check yourself. They are handy tools for this sort of work.

protractor.gif
 
35 should be the reference angle, which means that 145 would be the real angle, since Fx needs to be negative. Right?
 
That sounds about right.
 
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