Problem involving thermal radiation and specific heat

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The problem involves a satellite's thermal radiation and specific heat as it transitions from sunlight to Earth's shadow. The satellite is modeled as a spherical copper shell, and the discussion centers around calculating the temperature drop during this transition, considering factors like emissivity and the specific heat of copper.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between power radiated and temperature change, with some suggesting the need for a differential equation to account for the changing temperature. There are attempts to integrate the power equation with respect to time and temperature.

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Multiple interpretations of the integration process are being explored, with participants sharing their results and questioning the correctness of their calculations. Some guidance has been offered on setting up the integral correctly, and there is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the integration bounds and the relationship between temperature and time.

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Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made in their calculations, particularly regarding the constancy of power during the temperature change and the integration process. There is also mention of specific values and results that have been derived, indicating a lack of consensus on the final temperature drop.

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Homework Statement


A satellite to reflect radar is a 3.5-m-diameter, 2.0-mm-thick spherical copper shell. While orbiting the earth, the satellite absorbs sunlight and is warmed to 50 °C. When it passes into the Earth's shadow, the satellite radiates energy to deep space. You can assume a deep-space temperature of 0 K. If the satellite's emissivity is 0.75, to what temperature, in °C, will it drop during the 50 minutes it takes to move through the Earth's shadow

Homework Equations


P=eσAT4
Q = mCΔT
ρ = m/V

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought I had this question worked out but my solution didn't work. In any case this is what I did:

First some useful things. I found the surface area of the sphere to be 38.48m2 and then I calculated the volume as being:
22.45 - 22.37 = 0.08m3
by taking the volume of the outer sphere with radius 1.75m and subtracting the volume of the inner sphere of radius 1.748m

Then I found the power that is radiated using P=eσAT4 as we can assume Tc=0
P = 0.75 * 5.67*10^-8 * 38.48 * 3234
= 17812.2W

Then I calculated the total energy over the 50 minutes:
17812.2 * 60 * 50 = 5.34*107J

Then I used the density of copper and the aforementioned volume to calculate the mass of copper:
8920 * 0.08 = 713.6kg

And then I used the specific heat formula to calculate the final temperature after losing the energy from above. Negative because the heat is lost.

-5.34*107 = 713.6 * 385 * (TF - 323)
TF = 128.5K = -144.502°C

But that is apparently wrong. I am not sure where I went wrong. Does the radiation formula not work because the temperature is changing perhaps?
 
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If the temperature changes that much, P will not be constant. Equate the instantaneous value of P to -mCpdT/dt and solve the differential equation.
 
mjc123 said:
If the temperature changes that much, P will not be constant. Equate the instantaneous value of P to -mCpdT/dt and solve the differential equation.

I am not really sure how to do that. Do I just say:
eσAT(t)4 = -mCdT/dt?

How do I go about solving this? And is it okay to do this because now both are with respect to time (as in the power is J/s and we have a dt on the other side)?
 
Write (eσA/mC) dt = -1/T4 dT and integrate both sides.
 
mjc123 said:
Write (eσA/mC) dt = -1/T4 dT and integrate both sides.
I got -7.79°C which is still wrong apparently
 
Oh. I got -44°C. How did you do the integration?
 
mjc123 said:
Oh. I got -44°C. How did you do the integration?
I got:
5.95*10-12 * t = 1/3T3
And then I substituted t = 3000 and solved for T
 
Wimpalot said:
I got:
5.95*10-12 * t = 1/3T3
And then I substituted t = 3000 and solved for T
Think about the integration bounds. The result of the integration step relates the change in each side. On one one side you have a change in time, but the other side is not a change in temperature, nor is it the cube of the final temperature. What is it the change in?

(I get -46C.)
 
haruspex said:
Think about the integration bounds. The result of the integration step relates the change in each side. On one one side you have a change in time, but the other side is not a change in temperature, nor is it the cube of the final temperature. What is it the change in?

(I get -46C.)

I am not entirely sure. Is it the total temperature difference? That doesn't sound right...?
 
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It's a definite integral. The solution (assuming your arithmetic is right) is
[5.95*10-12 * t]03000 = [1/(3T3)]323Tf
 
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mjc123 said:
It's a definite integral. The solution (assuming your arithmetic is right) is
[5.95*10-12 * t]03000 = [1/(3T3)]323Tf

Thank you that worked perfectly and I actually understand why too.
 
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