Problem simplifying v*dv/dt to get d/dt(V^2/2)

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of the expression V dV/dt to the derivative of V^2/2, exploring the underlying calculus concepts involved, particularly in relation to velocity and acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule and product rule in the context of the problem. Some express confusion about the simplification and seek further elaboration on the calculus principles involved.

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Some participants have offered insights into the use of the chain rule and product rule, while others are questioning the clarity of these explanations and seeking additional details. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants are navigating the connection between physical concepts of velocity and acceleration and their mathematical representations, with some noting the potential implications for conservation laws in physics.

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we know dV/dt = a from the definition of acceleration
multiplying by sides by V, velocity yields
V dV/dt = aV
Left side can be reduced to d/dt(V^2/2)

so to be more clear, just looking at the left side
V dV/dt = d/dt( V^2/2)

I want to know what calculus topic that's addressed in, and how it works because I don't see it.

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It's just a chain rule. Let f(t) = v(t) and f'(t) = a(t). Then {d \over dt} {f(t)^2 \over 2} = f(t)f'(t)

All you're doing is assigning physical concepts (velocity, acceleration) to mathematical ideas (functions of a parameter, t)
 
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Thank you very much pengwuino. I would never have thought of that.
 
I'm probably missing something obvious here. Can't find anything in the chain rule that explains this simplification. Can somebody elaborate this more?
 
You can explain it as either the chain rule or the product rule.

Chain rule: \frac{ds}{dt} = \frac{ds}{dv} \frac{dv}{dt}. Let s = v^2, which gives \frac{ds}{dt} = (2v)\frac{dv}{dt}.

Product rule: \frac{d}{dt} ab = \frac{da}{dt} b + a \frac{db}{dt}. Let a=b=v.

In general, this technique of manipulating an expression to turn it into a derivative of something else is useful because you can often use that to write some kind of conservation law. In this case, dealing with \frac{d}{dt} \frac{v^2}{2} was probably leading up to invoking conservation of energy (only a factor of mass is missing).
 
could you also think of it as: since you added a v to the right you must make the left match by first taking the anti derivative of v>>>(1/2)v^2?
 

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