Problem when evaluating bounds....Is the result 1 or 0^0?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a summation involving terms of the form \( t^{n-i} e^{-st} \) and the implications of evaluating \( 0^0 \) when considering limits and bounds. Participants explore the context of Laplace transforms and the treatment of indeterminate forms in mathematical expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a summation and discusses the behavior of terms as \( t \) approaches zero and infinity, particularly focusing on the term \( t^0 \) which leads to the indeterminate form \( 0^0 \).
  • Another participant suggests that if the evaluation is indeed an integral, the isolated point does not significantly affect the result, and recommends taking the limit as \( t \) approaches zero.
  • There is a query about whether the evaluation results in one, with a reference to the Laplace transform of a polynomial, indicating a connection to the original summation.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the origin of the summation and suggests that it resembles a polynomial of degree \( n \), specifically mentioning the structure of a polynomial in the context of Laplace transforms.
  • Another participant notes that in series evaluations, \( 0^0 \) is typically treated as 1 to maintain continuity, but acknowledges that complications may arise if the exponent is not discrete.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to handle the evaluation of \( 0^0 \) and its implications for the summation and integral. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the indeterminate form or the specific evaluation of the summation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential complications in evaluating \( 0^0 \) and the need for limits in certain contexts. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved and their implications for continuity and evaluation.

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Consider the summation ∑,i=0,n (t^(n-i))*e^(-st) evaluated from zero to infinity.

You could break down the sum into: (t^(n))*e + (t^(n-1))*e + (t^(n-1))*e + ... + (t^(n-n))*e ; where e = e^(-st)

To evaluate this, notice that all terms will go to zero when evaluated at infinity

However, when evaluated at zero, notice the last term of the summation; when i=n : (t^(0))*e^(-st)

(t^0) is equivalent to one so we could rewrite as (1). When evaluating the last term at zero, then, we obtain (1) from the e^(-st) term. But, if you think of (1) as t^0, evaluating the last term at zero will give you 0^0, or which cannot be evaluated.

My question is, how do we handle a situation like this? I can change (t^0) to (1) and then evaluate the bounds; or leave it as it is (t^0), and find that evaluating the bound at zero creates an indeterminant value.
 
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From what it looks like, you are evaluating an integral. If that is the case, an isolated point is in general of no consequence, and the fact that you can't evaluate ## 0^0 ## does not affect the result. You can take the limit ## t \rightarrow 0 ## for the zero point.
 
Charles Link said:
From what it looks like, you are evaluating an integral. If that is the case, an isolated point is in general of no consequence, and the fact that you can't evaluate ## 0^0 ## does not affect the result. You can take the limit ## t \rightarrow 0 ## for the zero point.

Interesting, so that evaluates to one correct? And this is an integral. Specifically the Laplace transform of [(A_n)(t^n)] so any nth root polynomial
 
nathangeo said:
Interesting, so that evaluates to one correct? And this is an integral. Specifically the Laplace transform of [(A_n)(t^n)] so any nth root polynomial
If you are evaluating the Laplace transform of ## t^n ##, you might try this link: I am not sure exactly where your summation comes from.
 
Charles Link said:
If you are evaluating the Laplace transform of ## t^n ##, you might try this link: I am not sure exactly where your summation comes from.
It comes through inspection. And that summation doesn't appear in the problem anyways but it's similar. What I mean is a polynomial of degree n. For example if n=3 you would have A_0+A_1(t)+A_2(t^2)+A_3(t^3)
 
nathangeo said:
It comes through inspection. And that summation doesn't appear in the problem anyways but it's similar. What I mean is a polynomial of degree n. For example if n=3 you would have A_0+A_1(t)+A_2(t^2)+A_3(t^3)
I know the Laplace transform is a linear operator but i wanted to do it all in one operation.
 
In series like this, you would typically evaluate 00 as 1, as that usually makes the function continuous (if it is well-defined around 0). If your exponent is not discrete, things can get more complicated.
 

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