Problem with calculating final temperature of water

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the transfer of heat between ice and water. The original poster presents an equation to calculate the final temperature of water after adding ice at a specific temperature, while seeking clarification on a particular term in the equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the components of the heat transfer equation, questioning the origin of specific terms and the application of mathematical properties like the distributive property.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical reasoning behind the equation. There is a focus on understanding how to apply the distributive property in the context of the problem, with some participants seeking further clarification on the steps involved.

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Participants are working under the assumption that there is no heat loss to the surroundings, and they are trying to reconcile the terms in the equation with their understanding of heat transfer principles.

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A piece of ice with a mass of 60 g is transferred directly from the freezer at a
temperature of –7°C to a polystyrene cup containing 200 g of water at 75°C. Calculate
the final temperature of the water. Ignore any heat loss to the cup and its surroundings.

Qheat ice + Qmelt ice + Qheat cold water + Qcool hot water
mciceΔtice + mLf + mcwΔt + mhwcwΔthw = 0
(0.060 kg) x (2100 J/(kg.C)) x (0°C - (-7°C)) + ( 0.060 kg) x (3.3 x 10^5) + (0.060 kg) x (4200 J /(kg.C)) x (t2 – 0°C) + (0.2) x (4200 J) x (t2 – 75°C) = 0
882 + 19800 + 252t2 + 840t2 – 63000 = 0
840t2 = 42318
t2 = 50°C

The above problem is from my book, but I am having difficulty with the equation. Where did
the 63000 come from?
 
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v3ra said:
A piece of ice with a mass of 60 g is transferred directly from the freezer at a
temperature of –7°C to a polystyrene cup containing 200 g of water at 75°C. Calculate
the final temperature of the water. Ignore any heat loss to the cup and its surroundings.

Qheat ice + Qmelt ice + Qheat cold water + Qcool hot water
mciceΔtice + mLf + mcwΔt + mhwcwΔthw = 0
(0.060 kg) x (2100 J/(kg.C)) x (0°C - (-7°C)) + ( 0.060 kg) x (3.3 x 10^5) + (0.060 kg) x (4200 J /(kg.C)) x (t2 – 0°C) + (0.2) x (4200 J) x (t2 – 75°C) = 0
882 + 19800 + 252t2 + 840t2 – 63000 = 0
840t2 = 42318
t2 = 50°C

The above problem is from my book, but I am having difficulty with the equation. Where did
the 63000 come from?

Hi, V3ra. Multiply the three red numbers.
 
Hmm, but how would I have known to do that? I already multiplied the 0.2 and 4200 J to get 840. Where in the equation is it implied that I would use these two numbers again along with the 75°C to get 63000?
 
It's called the distributive property.
a*(b+c)=a*b+a*c
You have a*(b+c)=a*b
 
Can you please elaborate? How would someone who is approaching the above equation for the first time know to apply such a rule? The first part of the equation contains three numbers that are being multiplied, would all three be represented by "a" in the "a*(b+c)=a*b" or is this rule only applying to one part of the equation?
 
v3ra said:
Can you please elaborate? How would someone who is approaching the above equation for the first time know to apply such a rule? The first part of the equation contains three numbers that are being multiplied, would all three be represented by "a" in the "a*(b+c)=a*b" or is this rule only applying to one part of the equation?

v3ra, I'm not sure of your question. You are trying to simplify (0.2) x (4200) x (t2 – 75). You noted earlier that you can multiply the 0.2 and the 4200 to get 840. So now you have 840 x (t2-75).

To reduce this, take a simple example: 3 x (6 - 2). This means you have the quantity (6-2) three times.
So, 3 x (6 - 2) = (6-2) + (6-2) + (6-2). So, you get "6" three times and you also get (-2) three times.

So, 3 x (6-2) = 3x(6) + 3x(-2) = 3x6 - 3x2. Thus 3 x (6-2) = 3x6 - 3x2

Likewise, 840 x (t2-75) means that you have 840 of the quantity (t2-75). That's 840 t2 's and also 840 of the quantity (-75).

So, 840 x (t2-75) = 840 x t2 + 840 x (-75) = 840 x t2 - 840x75 = 840t2 - 63000.
 
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I understand now. I was, for some reason, completely avoiding the "t2".
 
No, you had t2, it was the -75 that you left out. That's the term that became the -63000.
 

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