Problem with Complex Second Order Equations

In summary, the conversation discusses solving the non-homogeneous equation y'' - 2y' + 2y = e^{t}cos(t). One person solves the homogenous version and gets roots 1 +/- i, while the other person suggests using Lagrange's method or the method of variation of constants. It is eventually determined that the particular solution must be of the form Ax e^x sin(x) + Bx e^x cos(x), and after equating coefficients, the general solution is found to be y(x) = c_1 e^x cos(x) + c_2 e^x sin(x) + (1/2) x e^x sin(x). The conversation ends with one person
  • #1
Lyuokdea
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Ok, this one is really sticking me up:

[tex]y'' - 2y' + 2y = e^{t}cos(t)[/tex]

I solved the homogenous version and got roots 1 +/- i and put these into get the equation

[tex]y_h = c_1e^tcos(t) + c_1e^tsin(t)[/tex]

And I found that the root for e^tcos(t) should be (D- (1 +/- i)

But I'm completely stuck on what to do after this, the part that really confuses me is that in the answer, they only have a e^t sin(t) factor in the answer in addition to the normal homogenous answer, why does sin(t) appear without cos(t) ?

Thanks for your help,

~Lyuokdea
 
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  • #2
Did u try to apply Lagrange's method...?

Daniel.
 
  • #3
dextercioby said:
Did u try to apply Lagrange's method...?

Daniel.


I don't believe so, I don't think we were ever taught about that, is there another way to solve it? Maybe we called it something different. I'll go back and look through my notes

~Lyuokdea
 
  • #4
Search for "Method of Variation of Constants" or "Method of Lagrange"...

Daniel.
 
  • #5
ok, I got it, thanks
 
  • #6
You should be able to do this by basic "undetermined coefficients".

Normally, if you have "right hand side" like etcos(t), you would try
y= et(Acos(t)+ Bsin(t)).

However, here, functions of that form already satisfy the homogenous equation and can't give you anything but 0 on the right side.

Okay, so you multiply by t:
try y= ett(Acos(t)+ Bsin(t)).

The rest is cranking away.
 
  • #7
You guys mind if I finish up? He's gone to something else I think. You know school and all:

[tex]y'' - 2y' + 2y = e^{t}cos(t)[/tex]

Because the RHS is a particular solution of a linear ODE, namely:

[tex] (D^2-2D+2)y=0 [/tex]

can apply this operator to both side of non-homogeneous eq. to collapse the RHS:

[tex] (D^2-2D+2)(D^2-2D+2)y=0 [/tex]

Since the solution to this equation is:

[tex]y=c_1e^x\cos(x)+c_2e^x\sin(x)+Axe^x\sin(x)+Bxe^x\cos(x) [/itex]

then the particular solution to the non-homogeneous equation must be of the form:

[tex]y_p=Axe^x\sin(x)+Bxe^x\cos(x) [/tex]

Substituting this equation into the non-homogeneous equation and equating coefficients, we find B=0 and A=1/2.

Thus the general solution is:

[tex] y(x)=c_1e^x\cos(x)+c_2e^x\sin(x)+\frac{1}{2}xe^x\sin(x)[/tex]

Using [itex]c_1=1[/itex] and [itex]c_2=0[/itex], I plotted a graph of the solution which is attached.
 

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What is a complex second order equation?

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