Programming a Diffraction Pattern by the (pseudo?) method of images

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The discussion revolves around programming a diffraction pattern, specifically focusing on Fraunhofer diffraction and the method of images involving magnetic and electric dipoles. Participants explore the setup of dipoles in relation to a circular aperture and the resulting diffraction patterns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the orientation of dipoles and their effects on the diffraction pattern, questioning the validity of their approaches and the assumptions made about the configuration. Some suggest using an incident plane wave to simplify the problem, while others consider the implications of using multiple dipoles and the need for path length differences.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various suggestions and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been provided regarding the arrangement of dipoles and the use of Huygens' principle, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or configuration.

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Participants mention constraints related to the software capabilities for simulating dipoles and the need for specific configurations to achieve desired diffraction patterns. There are also references to literature that may influence their understanding of the problem.

  • #31
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I have no idea what I just did (I literally just played around with moment values and position) but I'm going to review my script to make sure it's not physical nonsense. Hopefully it's not because I'm really happy with a seemingly cylindrically symmetric (positive) peak with smaller ripple peaks around it. This is definitely progress.

Note that my previous picture that I was ecstatic about had a peak value of 0 which is not desirable.

Also, my peak value is about 10 times the second peak which is probably not typical of diffraction.

I'll have to figure out a way to "tighten" my parameters but this overall shape is good.
 
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  • #32
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Just for thrills I Lorentz transformed the fields of an oscillating dipole in the z-direction (while traveling in the x-direction) and took the flux through a ##x = constant## plane. I think this is an improvement?

I made ##\beta = 0## and I get the same thing pretty much so that was pretty much fruitless.
 
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  • #33
@TSny may I ask a question about spherical harmonics? In the previous thread where you helped me extensively we were able to produce the shapes made by ##\left|Y^1_1 \left( \theta, \phi \right) \right|^2 ## and
##\left|Y^1_2 \left( \theta, \phi \right) \right|^2##. I'm interested in creating
##\left|Y^0_1 \left( \theta, \phi \right) \right|^2## if possible with some distribution of charge/current. From my very cursory understanding of things it is somewhere between a monopole and a typical dipole?

I believe this could give my a locally spherically symmetric surface and therefore a cylindrically symmetric flux pattern indicative of diffraction through a small circular aperture. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.
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  • #34
I don't think it's possible to get a pure spherical harmonic potential for radiating systems. It seems by definition that each multipole is a sum of various spherical harmonics.
 
  • #35
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Getting closer need to get rid of that spiral like pattern.
 
  • #36
The last picture was from a rotating dipole. Anyone have any ideas how I can mess around with frequencies to get rid of the spiral? Maybe introduce a rotating magnetic dipole in the orthogonal plane?
 
  • #37
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Getting so close but doing so by arbitrarily making electric and magnetic dipole moments complex in different ratios. If I get a good result I'll have to reconcile it physically.
 
  • #38
@hutchphd @etotheipi @TSny

I had some serious misconceptions about the dipole approach to diffraction (or more generally "aperture coupling") . The image dipoles on either side of the infinite (closed off) conducting sheet are supposed to yield total power through the aperture, it is not supposed to recover the Bessel function. Apparently for many applications total power is the most important parameter as opposed to its distribution.

The first two sections of this paper offer an excellent explanation if you're interested.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02726343.2011.590960?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

The values of the dipoles can be chosen such that the structure on the left absorbs power and the structure on the right emits the same amount of power thus simulating power through an aperture.
 

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  • #39
PhDeezNutz said:
@hutchphd @etotheipi @TSny

I had some serious misconceptions about the dipole approach to diffraction (or more generally "aperture coupling") . The image dipoles on either side of the infinite (closed off) conducting sheet are supposed to yield total power through the aperture, it is not supposed to recover the Bessel function. Apparently for many applications total power is the most important parameter as opposed to its distribution.

The first two sections of this paper offer an excellent explanation if you're interested.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02726343.2011.590960?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

The values of the dipoles can be chosen such that the structure on the left absorbs power and the structure on the right emits the same amount of power thus simulating power through an aperture.
Thanks for the link. I see that his primary reference is to

Theory of Diffraction by Small Holes
H. A. Bethe
Phys. Rev. 66, 163 – Published 1 October 1944


which is, as always, a nice treatment. It was never clear to me the range of applicability of Bethe but he does say it is for holes small compared to wavelength but then he generalizes some. I think your assessment is on point.
 
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hutchphd said:
Thanks for the link. I see that his primary reference is to

Theory of Diffraction by Small Holes
H. A. Bethe
Phys. Rev. 66, 163 – Published 1 October 1944


which is, as always, a nice treatment. It was never clear to me the range of applicability of Bethe but he does say it is for holes small compared to wavelength but then he generalizes some. I think your assessment is on point.
I think Bethe deals with the small hole limit whereas the Kirchhoff Integral deals with the large hole limit. In the Bethe limit I think the hole is so small that the electric field is essentially constant over its extent thus resembling a linear relationship ##\vec{p} = (constant) \vec{e}## or some diagonal polarizability tensor.

Bethe mentions in his paper that the total radiation/power from the Kirchhoff Integral to the his results should differ on the order of ##\frac{a^2}{\lambda^2}## but reading his results more carefully I think there is a slight difference.

He says the Kirchhoff Integral yields ##\vec{H}## on the order ##k a^2## whereas his solution yields ##\vec{H}## on the order of ##k^2 a^3##.I presume the same goes for ##\vec{E}##If so the radiation intensity is related to the square of these values

##\frac{Kirchhoff}{Bethe} = \frac{\left(ka\right)^2}{\left( k^2 a^3\right)^2} = \frac{k^2 a^4}{k^4 a^6} = \frac{1}{k^2 a^2} = \frac{\lambda^2}{4 \pi^2 a^2}##

Basically I think the Kirchhoff Integral should differ from the Bethe solution by the following

##Bethe = \frac{4 \pi^2 a^2}{\lambda^2} \left( Kirchhoff \right)##

I hope I did that math right.
 

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