Progress in Afghanistan: International Support, Articulated Plan?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the ongoing military involvement of the United States and its allies in Afghanistan, particularly in light of recent events and the planned transition of forces. Participants express concerns about the effectiveness of the current strategy, the implications of troop withdrawals, and the humanitarian impact of the conflict.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the difficulty in determining which countries are currently involved in Afghanistan, despite a history of 27 nations sending troops since 2001.
  • Another participant shares a poignant narrative about a child killed in a bombing, emphasizing the human cost of the conflict.
  • Some participants argue that the recent insider attacks on coalition forces necessitate either a clear improvement in the situation or a revised plan to address ongoing challenges.
  • Concerns are raised about the U.S. administration's lack of response to current events and the adequacy of the stated goals for military presence in Afghanistan.
  • One participant questions the rationale behind a scheduled withdrawal, suggesting that the military's objective should not merely be to leave on time but to ensure stability.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the President's assessment of risks associated with an accelerated withdrawal, suggesting that the potential return of extremist groups needs to be addressed more transparently.
  • Several posts reference interviews with military figures, including Stanley McChrystal, highlighting differing perspectives on leadership and strategy in Afghanistan.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some advocating for a quicker withdrawal and others emphasizing the need for a more thorough evaluation of the situation before making such decisions. There is no consensus on the best course of action moving forward.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations in the current discourse, including the lack of clear communication from the U.S. administration regarding the mission's objectives and the implications of troop withdrawals on security and stability in Afghanistan.

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Readers interested in military strategy, international relations, and the humanitarian impact of conflict may find this discussion relevant.

mheslep
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Since the invasion in 2001, I count 27 countries that have sent troops to Afghanistan at one time or another. But I'm finding it difficult to determine which nations are still involved? There are news reports over the years about who has left, though that's long way around to arrive at today's state of affairs.


With regards to the plan ahead, I would like to see more articulation by the President as to what the US hopes to accomplish by keeping ten or twenty brigades in country until 2014. If nothing else I'd like to see him visit the troops.
 
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"Parwana means butterfly in Dari, . . . " Parwana was among several children killed by a suicide bomber.

"At 8 years old, with freckles and a penchant for frilly dresses and soccer cleats, Parwana was just as I was at that age: equal parts tomboy and little princess. In the last few weeks, she had begun to wear a head scarf, but she clearly was not willing to grow up completely just yet. She was the undisputed ringleader of the little girls, and enough of a spitfire to give the bigger boys as good as she got. Along with her dark-eyed sisters Basira and Salmah, and young Samir, with the grown up shoes he was so proud of, I had a small clique of children who followed me everywhere I went."

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/the-death-of-a-butterfly-in-kabul/


Eleven Years After 9/11, Afghanistan Still Matters
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/eleven-years-after-911-afghanistan-still-matters/
 
If the intent of the bomber was to provoke rage he was successful.
 
Four more soldiers or marines killed by "insider" forces, i.e. coalition trained Afghan soldiers. That's 60 this year from insiders according to this source.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/49053662/

It seems to me in such a circumstance one of two things are required for continued support of the war effort and expense of lives: 1) a demonstration that the trend is getting better, or 2) a plan to turn things around.

I see far too little by way of response from the US administration. As of July:
Sec Clinton said:
“We are not even imagining abandoning Afghanistan,” she said.
along with declaring Afghanistan a "non-Nato" ally? A couple days ago the WH released a statement that the President had called Karsai to help insure the Libyan/Egyptian violence would not spread, but no mention of any reaction at all to events on the ground, with 68,000 US troops plus other coalition troops on the ground.
 
At the UN today the US President said
We have begun a transition in Afghanistan, and America and our allies will end our war on schedule in 2014.

Al Qaida has been weakened and Osama bin Laden is no more.
Which is the one and only reference to the US role in Afghanistan in the entire speech.

On schedule? Is the goal of war and the military to go home on schedule?

http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf
1670 US KIA, 17,644 US WIA
 
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mheslep said:
If nothing else I'd like to see him visit the troops.
How often?
 
Gokul43201 said:
How often?
I do not mean periodically, I'm aware media reports have him there last in May.

I mean immediately (or soon) to address the current condition on the ground since Bin Laden was killed: articulate the US mission there given continued US KIA, much of which lately is due to Afghan government troops, against a scheduled goal of continuing there though 2014. Why not pull out immediately (~3-4 months), or, if the argument can be made that the mission is indeed critical yet uncompleted, stay until it is completed or at least 3-4 years.
 
Wheat or Poppies

I like the comedy show 'The Daily Show' because it offers some good interviews that are not laughable.
 
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The President just announced he intends to accelerate the pull out from Afghanistan to this Spring instead of next Fall, a decision which I applaud.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-obama-afghanistan-idUSBRE90A0ZT20130111

I don't trust that Obama has fairly evaluated the risks of leaving early in public, i.e. a return of AQ or similar. Maybe the risks are small compared to the benefit of staying. If that case can not, or will not be made publicly then yes the US should do everything possible to minimize any more US troop fatalities. Get them out as soon as possible.
 
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Most recent CMoH award: http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3480/meyer-dakota.php for action in 2009, the Kunar Province, Afghanistan.

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