Projectile: know only launch velocity, max height, and distance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the initial height, launch angle, and airtime of a projectile given only its initial launch velocity (magnitude), maximum height, and horizontal distance traveled. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical exploration of projectile motion under varying initial conditions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that it is possible to find the initial height, launch angle, and airtime using a variation of a previously discussed method.
  • Another participant presents a complex equation derived from their calculations but expresses difficulty in solving for the initial height in terms of the other variables.
  • A different approach is proposed, assuming the initial launch height is negligible, leading to simplified equations for launch angle and flight time.
  • Another participant describes an equation that can be solved numerically or potentially converted into a quartic equation, noting that not all parameter combinations yield a solution.
  • There is a request for clarification on the definitions of variables used in the equations, specifically the meanings of distance traveled, maximum height, and launch height.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of solving for the unknowns, with some proposing methods that simplify the problem while others highlight the complexities and challenges involved. No consensus is reached regarding a definitive solution or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may become significantly more complex if the initial launch height is not assumed to be zero. Additionally, there are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific assumptions regarding the parameters involved.

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Suppose you know only these three things about a launched projectile:

- Initial launch velocity (magnitude only, not direction)
- Maximum height reached
- Horizontal distance traveled before hitting the ground

Is it possible to find the initial height, launch angle, and airtime of this projectile (assuming that the initial launch height may or may not be at ground level)?
 
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Yes it is possible. You could use a variation of the method I suggested in a similar thread you started.
 
I did what you said, and the good news is that I came up with the following equation:

\frac{d^{2}g}{4H - 2h + 4\sqrt{H(H-h)}} = v^{2} - 2gH + 2gh

The bad news is that I need to solve for the initial height, h in terms of all the other variables, and there seems to be no easy way to make things work. I tried assigning the term r = H-h, but it's still a huge pain to solve
 
If you are willing to assume initial launch height is zero or negligibly small...

θ=(1/2)arcsin(g*x_max/v^2)
=arcsin[sqrt(2*g*y_max)/v]

t_flight=2*sqrt[2*y_max/g]

Otherwise it's ugly. I see mathematics as both an enabler and a disabler, in your problem it is definitely the latter :(
 
The equation I get is \frac {a} {\sqrt {b - z}} - \sqrt {z} - 1 = 0 where a = \frac {d} {2H}b = \frac {v^2} {2gH}z = 1 - \frac h H This can be solved numerically. Or, after some more massage, it could be converted into a quartic equation that could be solved by Ferrari's method, or numerically. The latter is bit tricky, because the quartic has four roots, but there is only one physical solution. The physical solution has these properties: z \ge 0 (because h \le H) and z \lt b (because initial kinetic energy must be greater than required for purely vertical motion from h to H). Note also that not all combinations of parameters admit a solution.
 
What are d, H, and h? I don't see where you said this.
 
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Distance traveled, max height, launch height.
 

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