Projectiles physics problem - due tomorrow ;_;

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a mass that splits into two pieces after reaching its apex. Participants are tasked with determining the initial velocities of the resulting pieces in terms of the original velocity and an angle from the horizontal.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in the context of the problem. There are attempts to relate the initial velocities of the pieces to the original velocity and angle, with some questioning the lack of equations involving the angle θ.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various equations and relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of using conservation of momentum, while others express confusion about integrating kinetic energy into their reasoning.

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Participants note that kinetic energy cannot be conserved in this scenario, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the principles at play. There is also mention of previous parts of the problem that have been solved, which may influence the current discussion.

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hey everybody, i would really appreciate a little help with this.

I have a projectile, labeled zero, with mass m and velocity V. it travels in a parabolic motion until it reaches its apex, at which point it divides into two equal pieces, 1 and 2, with mass m/2 and m/2. Each of these pieces splits off with a velocity theta degrees from the horizontal.

Now, i need to determine V1 initial and V2 initial in terms of V, theta, and unit vectors i^ and j^.

Any help at all would really be appreciated - i have AIM(antigravityjesus) and MSN (antigravityjesus@hotmail.com).
Thanks!
 
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oh, forgot to say, this is the third part - i already found Delta K / K initial and solved some change-in-K relative to Theta equations.

The problem is, if i sub kinetic energy = kinetic energy into conservation of momentum, i get V = V.

Can i somehow use my Delta K/K equation here? I am at a loss.

Thanks.
 
okay, this is what I've done:

1/2 m V^2 = 1/2 m 1/2 v1i ^ 2 + 1/2 m 1/2 v2i ^ 2
which equates to
V^2 = v1i^2 + v2i^2 / 4mV = mv1/2 + mv2/2
which equates to
V = (v1+v2)/2
V^2 = (v1^2 + 2v1v2 + v2^2)/4
... which doesent directly equal v1i^2 + v2i^2 / 4 ... neat. let me see if i just accidentally solved something!

The problem is, i don't have any equations with theta in it.
 
nope, just gives me v1=0 and v2=0. darn.
 
voodoodoodoo said:
okay, this is what I've done:

1/2 m V^2 = 1/2 m 1/2 v1i ^ 2 + 1/2 m 1/2 v2i ^ 2
which equates to
V^2 = v1i^2 + v2i^2 / 4


mV = mv1/2 + mv2/2
which equates to
V = (v1+v2)/2
V^2 = (v1^2 + 2v1v2 + v2^2)/4
... which doesent directly equal v1i^2 + v2i^2 / 4 ... neat. let me see if i just accidentally solved something!

The problem is, i don't have any equations with theta in it.
Kinetic energy cannot be conserved in this process. It is first a conservation of momentum problem. If the angle θ is given, or your answers are supposed to be expressed in terms of θ then all you need is conservation of momentum.
voodoodoodoo said:
oh, forgot to say, this is the third part - i already found Delta K / K initial and solved some change-in-K relative to Theta equations.

The problem is, if i sub kinetic energy = kinetic energy into conservation of momentum, i get V = V.

Can i somehow use my Delta K/K equation here? I am at a loss.

Thanks.
You can't find the change in kinetic energy without using momentum conservation to find the velocites, so I really don't get what you are saying here.
 

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