Proof Acceleration in SHM - Get Help Now!

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The discussion revolves around understanding the equation for acceleration in simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically the expression a = -ω²Acos(ωt + φ). Participants seek clarification on how to derive this equation and its implications for a particle in SHM, touching on concepts of calculus, motion, and graphical representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the acceleration equation for SHM and requests a step-by-step explanation.
  • Another participant asks about the understanding of SHM and whether the original poster has studied calculus, suggesting that derivatives are key to understanding the motion.
  • A participant explains that while calculus is helpful, it is not strictly necessary to grasp the concept of oscillatory simple harmonic motion (OSHM), emphasizing the relationship between acceleration and displacement.
  • Some participants discuss the significance of maximum acceleration occurring at the extremes of motion and zero acceleration at the equilibrium position.
  • Graphical methods are suggested for visualizing the relationships between position, velocity, and acceleration over time, with recommendations to plot these values to observe patterns.
  • One participant shares their experience of plotting graphs and expresses intent to further explore acceleration with specific values.
  • Another participant suggests a systematic approach to deriving velocity and acceleration from the position function, indicating that all three can be plotted to reveal sinusoidal patterns.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding the relationship between position, velocity, and acceleration in SHM. However, there is no consensus on the necessity of calculus for understanding these concepts, as some argue it is essential while others believe it can be grasped without it.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their understanding of calculus, which may affect their ability to fully grasp the derivation of the acceleration equation. Additionally, there is a reliance on graphical interpretations to aid in understanding the motion.

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Hello guys!

Today I was studying SHM and I can't understand how to proof that a = -ω2Acos(ωt+φ) gives me accelaration of particle executing simple harmonic motion!

If someone "build" this equation step-by-step I would be really thankfull!

:)
 
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Hi Vinicius and welcome to PF.

In your own words, what does SHM mean to you and how would you recognize it if you saw it?
 
Vinicius said:
I can't understand how to proof that a = -ω2Acos(ωt+φ) gives me accelaration of particle executing simple harmonic motion!
Starting from what? What do you know already about SHM?

Have you studied calculus? (specifically, derivatives)
 
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kuruman said:
Hi Vinicius and welcome to PF.

In your own words, what does SHM mean to you and how would you recognize it if you saw it?

Hello Kuroman! Thank you! :smile:

When I think in SHM I instantly remember a pendulum or a a block connect in a spring. I imagine SHM a classification of this kind of moviment that "always come back and repeats." Oh, and I also remember about trigonometric functions and some sin or cos graphics.

For example, I understand how to get the equation v = Aω cos (ωt + φ) and how/where it works. But I have some difficult in "see" that accelaration part.
 
jtbell said:
Starting from what? What do you know already about SHM?

Have you studied calculus? (specifically, derivatives)

I know the main concepts (e.g. how to calculate the velocity of a particle in a certain point, how to find the position of a particle in a SHM, I understand those equations x = A cos ( ωt) v = - Aω sin ( ωt)) but I don't understand that accelaration part!

For example, I saw this explanation:

"At the extreme ends, when a spring is at its maximum stretch or compress, the spring force is at its maximum magnitude, and therefore the acceleration it gives to the attached mass is maximum. We may therefore state that: " In Simple Harmonic Motion, the maximum of acceleration magnitude occurs at x = +/-A (the extreme ends where force is maximum), and acceleration at the middle ( at x = 0 ) is zero.

Using Calculus, if the equation for x is

x = A cos ( ωt), then v, and a are derived as follows:

v = (dx /dt) = - Aω sin ( ωt) ; and

a = (d2x /dt2) = -Aω2 cos ( ωt)."
http://www.pstcc.edu/departments/natural_behavioral_sciences/Web%20Physics/Chapter015.htm

Unfortunately I did not study calculus yet. Is there another way to understand this part? Do you recommend that I study calculus and understand this later?
 
Although calculus is certainly helpful, it is not necessary to understand "Oscillatory Simple Harmonic Motion" (OSHM). The "oscillatory" part means that the motion repeats itself after a certain time interval. Not all repeating motion is simple harmonic, a beating heart for example. The "harmonic" part means sines and cosines are used to model the description of the motion. The "simple" part means that single frequency sines and cosines are needed, not a superposition of many frequencies.
The hallmark of OSHM is that the acceleration is proportional to the negative of the displacement, the constant of proportionality being the square of the frequency ##\omega##. That is ##a=-\omega^2x##. Here, ##x## is the displacement from the equilibrium position, i.e. where the net external force (or torque) is zero. Can you answer the question now?
 
kuruman said:
Although calculus is certainly helpful, it is not necessary to understand "Oscillatory Simple Harmonic Motion" (OSHM). The "oscillatory" part means that the motion repeats itself after a certain time interval. Not all repeating motion is simple harmonic, a beating heart for example. The "harmonic" part means sines and cosines are used to model the description of the motion. The "simple" part means that single frequency sines and cosines are needed, not a superposition of many frequencies.
The hallmark of OSHM is that the acceleration is proportional to the negative of the displacement, the constant of proportionality being the square of the frequency ##\omega##. That is ##a=-\omega^2x##. Here, ##x## is the displacement from the equilibrium position, i.e. where the net external force (or torque) is zero. Can you answer the question now?

Hmm... It makes sense now. I mean, if x = 0 (equilibrium position) in a SHM the acceleration should be zero (there's no force acting). And in extremes it gets the highest amount of acceleration.
I understand it now! :partytime: Thanks, really! thank you!

##a=-\omega^2x##.
##a=-\omega^2Acos(\omega t + \phi)##
 
Got some graph paper?.. Try plotting a graph of position Vs time for one cycle on a large scale (eg fill the page). Then...

Presumably you know that the velocity at any time is the rate of change in position, or the slope of the position graph? So measure the slope on the position graph at various points carefully and plot a graph of velocity Vs time on another sheet.

Likewise acceleration is the rate of change of velocity, or the slope of the velocity graph. You could repeat the process and plot a graph of acceleration Vs time but by now you should have spotted the pattern so this may not be necessary.
 
CWatters said:
Got some graph paper?.. Try plotting a graph of position Vs time for one cycle on a large scale (eg fill the page). Then...

Presumably you know that the velocity at any time is the rate of change in position, or the slope of the position graph? So measure the slope on the position graph at various points carefully and plot a graph of velocity Vs time on another sheet.

Likewise acceleration is the rate of change of velocity, or the slope of the velocity graph. You could repeat the process and plot a graph of acceleration Vs time but by now you should have spotted the pattern so this may not be necessary.

I did it:
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Later I will try to get accelaration with more specifics values.
Thanks for the tip! :smile:
 

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You should approach answer to this question quite like you would do for motion in 1,2 or 3 dimension.
In the picture below start from the derivation on the RHS where position x of the particle is given as a function of t (x = A cost (wt + phi)
Take the first derivative of X w.r.t. and you get velocity.
Take second derivative of X w.r.t and you get acceleration.

You can actually plot all x,v and a values with time using these equations (see the table below) and you can plot them on a graph and you will get sin curves for x,v and a (and yes remember that even though a is a cos function, you can still call it a sine wave)

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