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The discussion revolves around a proof related to the supremum of a set and its scaling by a constant. Participants are examining the validity of certain statements and assumptions within the proof provided by the original poster.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • One participant points out potential flaws in the original proof, specifically questioning the existence of an element in the set that meets certain criteria. Others discuss the implications of the supremum not equating to the scaled maximum and explore different cases that could lead to contradictions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original proof and suggesting areas for reconsideration. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of typesetting mathematical work for clarity and mention specific examples to illustrate their points, indicating a focus on rigorous proof structure.

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It would be easier to give a good response if you would typeset your work here instead of pasting a photo.

Your proof is incorrect. The following statement is not necessarily true:

"Then for some [itex]s_0 \in S[/itex] such that [itex]s_0 < M[/itex], we have [itex]cs_0 = \sup(cS)[/itex]."

There are two problems with this statement. First, there may not be any [itex]s_0 \in S[/itex] such that [itex]s_0 < M[/itex], for example, if [itex]S[/itex] contains exactly one point. Second, there may not be any [itex]s_0[/itex] which will give this exact equality: [itex]cs_0 = \sup(cS)[/itex]. For example, consider [itex]S = \{q \in \mathbb{Q}: q^2 < 2\}[/itex] and [itex]c = 1[/itex]. Then [itex]\sup(cS) = \sqrt{2}[/itex] and clearly this does not equal [itex]cs_0[/itex] for any [itex]s_0 \in S[/itex], because [itex]S[/itex] contains only rational numbers.
 
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The Attempt at a Solution

Assuming that [itex]\displaystyle \sup(\text{S})=M\ :[/itex]

If [itex]\displaystyle \sup(c\text{S})\ne cM\,,\ \text{ then either }\ \sup(c\text{S})< cM\ \text{ or } \sup(c\text{S})> cM\ .[/itex]

If [itex]\displaystyle \ \sup(c\text{S})> cM\,,\ \text{ then there exists}\ cs_0\in c\text{S}\ \text{ such that }\ cs_0>cM\ .\ \ \ ...[/itex]

That should quickly lead to a contradiction.

Then do the other case.
 
SammyS said:
Assuming that [itex]\displaystyle \sup(\text{S})=M\ :[/itex]

If [itex]\displaystyle \sup(c\text{S})\ne cM\,,\ \text{ then either }\ \sup(c\text{S})< cM\ \text{ or } \sup(c\text{S})> cM\ .[/itex]

If [itex]\displaystyle \ \sup(c\text{S})> cM\,,\ \text{ then there exists}\ cs_0\in c\text{S}\ \text{ such that }\ cs_0>cM\ .\ \ \ ...[/itex]

That should quickly lead to a contradiction.

Then do the other case.

Thanks
 

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