Proof of an inequality with natural numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving an inequality involving natural numbers, specifically the relationship between a sum of fractions and natural number bounds. The inequality states that for all natural numbers \( n \), the sum \( \frac{n}{2} < 1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^n - 1} \leq n \) holds.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to proving the inequality, including attempts to establish bounds for the sums involved. Some participants question the assumptions made about the series and explore the implications of specific values of \( n \). There is also mention of using induction and numerical checks to inform their reasoning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and suggestions for bounding the sums. Some have attempted to clarify their understanding through specific examples, while others are still grappling with the complexity of the proof. There is a recognition of mistakes made in calculations, leading to further exploration of the problem.

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Participants note the difficulty in calculating the number of terms in the sums and the implications of these calculations on the proof. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the approaches available to them.

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Homework Statement


Prove that ##\forall n \in \mathbb{N}##
$$\frac{n}{2} < 1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^n - 1} \leq n \text{ .}$$

Homework Equations


Peano axioms and field axioms for real numbers.

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay so my first assumption was that this part in the middle was a partial series of a sequence, that looks something like
$$
1+ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^n - 1} + \frac{1}{2^{n+1} - 1} \text{,}
$$
so I tried to prove it using this, but I quickly spotted the elephant in the room that the ##\frac{1}{2}## is, since ##\nexists n \in \mathbb{N}## so that ##2^n - 1 = 2##.

Therefore I tried to come up with a reasonable sequence for which such an inequality could hold. Thus far I wrestled with
$$
\sum\limits_{k=1}^{2^n -1} \frac{1}{k} +
\sum\limits_{k=2^n}^{2^{n+1} - 1} \frac{1}{k}\text{,}
$$
but the inequlaity has proven itself to be incredibly difficult to prove via induction.

My first try was to prove the right hand side, therefore to come to a contradiction with
\begin{gather*}
\sum\limits_{k=1}^{2^{n+1} - 1} \frac{1}{k}
\leq
n + \frac{1}{2^n} + \frac{1}{2^n + 1} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^{n+1} - 1}
> n+1 \text{,}
\end{gather*}
or
$$
\frac{1}{2^n} + \frac{1}{2^n + 1} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^{n+1} - 1} > 1\text{,}
$$
which is intuitively a contradiciton and I have gone so far as to even write a little program in c that calculated the left side for ##n = 1, 2, \ldots, 10##, where the result was obviously less than 1.

I have no idea how to prove this so far, but I am still trying and will do so until I run out of time and check this thread for hints and update you on the situation when necessary.
 
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Andraz Cepic said:
Therefore I tried to come up with a reasonable sequence for which such an inequality could hold. Thus far I wrestled with
$$
\sum\limits_{k=1}^{2^n -1} \frac{1}{k} +
\sum\limits_{k=2^n}^{2^{n+1} - 1} \frac{1}{k}\text{,}
$$
but the inequlaity has proven itself to be incredibly difficult to prove via induction.
I suggest you look at the second sum and try to find a lower and upper bound for it. Your total sum is the sum of ##n## such sums.
 
To be a bit more specific, you can often get a hint from how it plays out for small ##n##. For example, for ##n = 1## you have ##2^1 - 1 = 1## and therefore
$$
1/2 \leq 1 \leq 1.
$$
For ##n = 2##, ##2^n-1 = 3## and you have
$$
1 + (1/2 + 1/3) < 1 + (1/2 + 1/2) = 2
$$
but also
$$
1 + (1/2 + 1/3) > 1 + (1/3 + 1/3) = 1 + 2/3 > 1/2 + 1/2 = 2/2.
$$
You should be able to work from here.
 
Orodruin said:
To be a bit more specific, you can often get a hint from how it plays out for small ##n##. For example, for ##n = 1## you have ##2^1 - 1 = 1## and therefore
$$
1/2 \leq 1 \leq 1.
$$
For ##n = 2##, ##2^n-1 = 3## and you have
$$
1 + (1/2 + 1/3) < 1 + (1/2 + 1/2) = 2
$$
but also
$$
1 + (1/2 + 1/3) > 1 + (1/3 + 1/3) = 1 + 2/3 > 1/2 + 1/2 = 2/2.
$$
You should be able to work from here.

I have, since posting the question, tried to find an upper bound and lower bound to the sequence, but I have TOTALLY failed when calculating the number of terms: ##2^{n+1} - 2^n = 2^n(2^n - 1)##, instead of ##2^{n+1} - 2^n = 2^n(2 - 1) = 2^n## confusing myself entirely and giving up trying to bound it. The correction then leads to
$$
1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^{n+1} - 1} < n + \sum\limits_{k = 1}^{2^n} \frac{1}{2^n} = n+1 \text{,}
$$
as desired. Moreover
$$
1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^{n+1} - 1} > \frac{n}{2} + \sum\limits_{k = 1}^{2^n} \frac{1}{2^{n+1}} = \frac{n}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = \frac{n+1}{2} \text{,}
$$
finishing off the proof!
##\square##

Thank you for helping me notice my mistake!
 

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