Proof of Differences of Odd Powers

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the difference between two odd powered integers can equal a square. Participants explore various examples and proofs related to the expression \(a^n - b^n = c^2\), where \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) are positive integers and \(n\) is an odd power. The scope includes theoretical considerations and specific integer examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about existing proofs that demonstrate the impossibility of \(a^n - b^n = c^2\) for odd \(n\).
  • Several examples are provided by participants showing that the difference of odd powers can indeed equal a square, such as \(10^3 - 6^3 = 28^2\) and \(6^5 - 2^5 = 88^2\).
  • Another participant questions whether for every solution of \(a^n - b^n = c^2\), it can be proven that \(c^2 \neq d^n\) for another integer \(d\).
  • One participant references Wiles' work, suggesting it relates to proving certain conditions about \(d^n\) and integer solutions.
  • A mathematical argument is presented that for any odd \(n\), specific values of \(a\) and \(b\) can yield a square, indicating that \(a^n - b^n\) can equal a square under certain conditions.
  • Another example is given, \(8^3 - 7^3 = 13^2\), and a transformation using squares is suggested, indicating that \(a^n - b^n\) can be expressed in a form that may equal \(c^2\) for some integers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. While some provide examples that contradict the initial claim, others continue to explore the implications of these findings, leading to ongoing debate and uncertainty about the original question.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the integers involved and the specific conditions under which the examples hold. The discussion does not resolve the broader question of whether a general proof exists for all odd powers.

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Researching for proof for differences of powers.
I am interested in finding any proofs that exist which demonstrates that the difference between two odd powered integers can never be equal to a square? Has there been any research in this? For example, given this expression a^n -b^n = c^2, where a,b,c are positive integers and a>b, n = odd power. Has there been any proof that an integer solution for this is impossible?
 
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You mean a proof for ##5-1=2^2?##
 
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$$10^3 - 6^3 = 784 = 28^2$$
 
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$$6^5 - 2^5 = 88^2$$
 
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PeroK said:
$$6^5 - 2^5 = 88^2$$
Ha Ha! You are good! How do you find these solutions so quickly?
 
e2m2a said:
Ha Ha! You are good! How do you find these solutions so quickly?
Just used a spreadsheet.
 
PeroK said:
$$6^5 - 2^5 = 88^2$$
For every integer that is a solution of ##a^n - b^n = c^2##, can you prove ##c^2 ≠ d^n## where d is another integer? :smile:
 
bob012345 said:
For every integer that is a solution of ##a^n - b^n = c^2##, can you prove ##c^2 ≠ d^n## where d is another integer? :smile:
Yes. Wiles did.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. Wiles did.
I know but wait, isn't proving ##d^n## can't be some integer squared less than what Wiles did that there is no ##d^n## that satisfies ##a^n - b^n##?
 
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##a^n - b^n = d^n## implies ##a^n + d^n = b^n## which has no non-trivial integer solutions for n>2. For n=1 solutions are trivial and for n=2 there are solutions.
 
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For any odd ##n##, consider ##b = 2^n -1## and ##a = 2(2^n-1)##. Then:
$$a^n - b^n = 2^n(2^n - 1)^n - (2^n-1)^n = (2^n - 1)^{n+1}$$This is a square as ##n + 1## is even.

Also, if ##a, b, c## is a solution, then so is ##k^2a, k^2b, k^nc##.
 
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Sorry, just to continue the pile up:
$$ 8^3-7^3=512-343=169=13^2$$
Edit: But notice you can use $$a=a'^2, b=b'^2$$, then:
$$a^n-b^n=(a'^n)^2-(b'^n)^2$$ for which may equal $$c^2$$ for some integer $$c$$
 

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