Proof of equilibrium equations?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equilibrium equations in statics, specifically the conditions that the sum of forces and the sum of moments are zero. Participants are seeking clarity on how these principles are established, particularly in the context of a homework assignment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about deriving the equilibrium equations, noting that if a system is in equilibrium, the acceleration is zero, which leads to confusion regarding the implications for mass.
  • Another participant suggests that Newton's 2nd Law, where the sum of forces equals mass times acceleration, simplifies to zero acceleration in equilibrium, implying that the sum of forces must also be zero.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to approach the moment aspect of the equilibrium equations, indicating a lack of understanding of the application of Newton's laws in this context.
  • One participant mentions that for Newton's 1st Law to apply, it is necessary to establish that the resultant force on the body is zero, which is a condition for equilibrium.
  • Newton's 3rd Law is referenced as a means to understand the sum of forces, particularly in relation to reaction forces acting on a body.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the equilibrium equations. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the application of Newton's laws remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the derivation process, particularly concerning the application of Newton's laws and the implications for moments. There is an indication of missing steps or assumptions in their reasoning.

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proof of equilibrium equations??

Homework Statement



I have a statics test tomorrow, and I have to give a proof type answer of how the equilibrium equations (sum of forces and sum of moment are zero) are derived.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to do this, I understand that

because the system is in equilibrium then the acceleration is zero and Force=mass(aceleration) which would imply that mass is zero. But I don't think I'm going about that the right way.

As for the moment, I'm not sure what to do.

The way he did it in class was using Newtons first and third laws to prove it, but I didn't quite understand how he went about it.

Thanks for any help!
 
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I would have thought it would have been a simple case of Newton's 2nd Law where ∑Fn = man (acceleration in the 'n' direction) and in equilibrium, an = 0 m/s2.
 


Ok, Maybe I will look into that more. I wasn't sure if i was going down the right path with that thought.
But do you have any thoughts on the moment?
 


bhsmith said:
Ok, Maybe I will look into that more. I wasn't sure if i was going down the right path with that thought.
But do you have any thoughts on the moment?

Well for Newton's 1st Law to apply, you'd need to know the resultant force on the body is zero for it to be at rest or in motion (in equilibrium, so you know a = 0)

For Newton's 3rd Law - You'd pretty much use this to get the sum of forces, for example reaction forces.
 

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