I Proof of Q=CV for arbitrarily shaped capacitors

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The discussion centers on the formula Q=CV, which defines capacitance as the ratio of charge (Q) to potential difference (V), asserting that this ratio is constant for capacitors of arbitrary shapes. Participants debate whether this relationship can be proven, with some arguing it is merely a definition and others asserting it is a fundamental assertion of electrostatics. The conversation touches on the implications of dielectric materials and the conditions under which capacitance may not remain constant, particularly in nonlinear media. Examples such as semiconductor junctions illustrate situations where capacitance can vary with voltage. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the idea that while Q=CV is a definition, it also encapsulates essential principles of electromagnetism that have been consistently validated.
  • #51
Mister T said:
Q=CV is a definition. It is not an assertion that C is constant. That is a separate assertion.
That is a definition for a single pair of object(s). Some times the really big sphere is the second object. Maxwell showed the simple relation of coefficients of Potential for and arbitrary geometrical assemblage of N conductors from which capacitances can calculated for the assemblage
 
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  • #52
Let me just jot down a few extra things to consider

Differential capacitance (nonlinearities between capacitance and voltage, this already shows that C=QV only holds in some special cases)
Self- and mutual- capacitance
Capacitance matrix
 
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  • #53
jkfjbw said:
If you consider bringing in some positive charge and placing it near the conductor, you will have increased the amount of work required to bring it close to the conductor yet the charge on the conductor has not changed. Therefore charge on the conductor does not correlate to the voltage on the conductor, at least not in the general case.
I believe doing so only adds an extra mutual capacitance term between the new charge and the conductor under consideration, but this would not affect the self capacitance term and mutual capacitance terms with other conductors, only until the extra charge is placed on ("absorbed", integrated onto) the conductor.

Maybe more clearly, one can think of a point charge as equivalent to a spherical conductor with the same charge.
 
  • #54
This follows from Green’s third identity applied to Laplace’s equation.

Let’s say ##\Sigma## is the surface of an isolated perfect conductor which represents an equipotential surface where the potential takes the constant value ##\phi_0##.

Suppose ##G(x,y)## is the Green’s function for Laplace’s equation that vanishes on ##\Sigma##. This always exists by the properties of the Laplacian operator for arbitrary shapes ##\Sigma##.

Then, one can show

##\phi(x) = \int \phi(u) \frac{\partial G(x,u)}{\partial n} dS_u##.

Here ##u## lies on ##\Sigma##.

But ##\phi(u) =\phi_0##.

Thus,

##\phi(x) = \phi_0 \int \frac{\partial G(x,u)}{\partial n} dS_u##.

This implies the normal derivative of ##\phi## on ##\Sigma##, denoted ##\phi_n(u)## is proportional to ##\phi_0##.

Finally,

##Q= -\int \phi_n(u) dS_u \propto \phi_0##

And the proportionality constant depends purely on the geometry of ##\Sigma##.

In fact, one can give an explicit formula for the Capacitance as

## C = - \int \int \partial_n \partial_{n’} G(u,u’) dS_u dS_{u’}##

QED
 
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