Proof of T.a=0 rule in mechanics (Laws of motion)

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The discussion centers on the T.a=0 rule in mechanics, particularly its application to constraint motion in pulley systems. An example illustrates how tensions and accelerations relate, showing that the sum of tensions multiplied by acceleration equals zero, leading to equal accelerations in connected masses. Participants debate the validity of this rule, suggesting that the constant length of the rope implies a relationship between the accelerations of the masses. However, concerns are raised about the irregular dimensions of the T.a expression and the applicability of Newton's laws as a more robust starting point for analysis. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of applying the T.a rule in various mechanical systems.
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There is this T.a rule in laws of motion which can be applied to a system to solve problems regarding constraint motion. Here's an example
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This example is pretty simple so I've decided to show the application of the rule here.
Consider the FBD of m,
T is in the same direction as the acceleration. Therefore, T.a=Ta1
Considering the FBD of 2m,
T is in the opposite direction. Therefore, T.a=-Ta2

ΣT.a=0, Therefore, Ta1 - Ta2=0
Thus, a1=a2

This method is really useful for complex pulley systems such as this one.
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I was wondering how to prove this. Can somebody help? Just give me an idea. Don't post the proof.
 
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Well hello Rinzler, welcome to PF :smile: !

If you consider the constant length of the rope, it is pretty straightforward that y1 + y2 is a constant.
So v1 + v2 = 0 and a1 + a2 = 0 too.

The pulley system you draw is somewhat different, though
 
BvU said:
Well hello Rinzler, welcome to PF :smile: !

If you consider the constant length of the rope, it is pretty straightforward that y1 + y2 is a constant.
So v1 + v2 = 0 and a1 + a2 = 0 too.

The pulley system you draw is somewhat different, though
Yeah, the length of the string is constant. But I'm saying that ΣT.a for the system is zero.
 
Doesn't feel good to me: the dimension of ##\vec T \cdot \vec a## is all irregular.
##\sum \vec T \cdot \vec a = 0 ## only because ##\sum \vec a = \vec 0 ## and the T are equal.

Newton ##\sum \vec F = m\vec a## would be a lot better starting point for your analysis of e.g. the crate system.
And (with due care for the masses of the pulleys -- they can be different, equal, massless or all on one and the same axle) there will be an additional statement for the tensions.
 
A single object accelerating under the action of a single tension (like a block pulled on a horizontal surface) does not satisfy this "rule".
As for the system in OP, why not sum of accelerations or sum of tensions? They are also zero but so what? It's not a general relationship.
 
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