Proper time in an acceleration frame

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The discussion focuses on calculating proper time in an acceleration frame using the equation $$d\tau = \sqrt{-g_{\mu v}\frac{dx^{\mu}}{d\lambda} \frac{dx^{v}}{d \lambda}} d \lambda$$ and its implications for constant acceleration. The participants clarify that the proper acceleration must equal ##g## and emphasize the importance of correctly integrating the velocity function ##v(t)## to derive proper time ##\tau(x)##. A critical error identified is the potential for obtaining a negative value for ##\Delta \tau##, indicating a misunderstanding of the problem.

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  • Understanding of general relativity concepts, specifically proper time and acceleration.
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  • Basic understanding of the relationship between coordinate time and proper time in inertial frames.
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$$d\tau = \sqrt{-g_{\mu v}\frac{dx^{\mu}}{d\lambda} \frac{dx^{v}}{d \lambda}} d \lambda $$
Calling ##d \lambda = d t##, t is coordinate time in an inertial frame.
$$\Delta \tau = \int \sqrt{-(-1+v^2/c^2)} dt$$
$$\Delta \tau \approx \Delta t - \frac{g^2*\Delta t^2}{6c^2}$$
where $$\Delta t = 2 \sqrt{L/g}, L = 30,000ly$$

So we just need to substitute it. Is this right?
 
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Your second equation of time integration gives ##\tau(t)##. To integrate it we need to know ##v(t)##. You can get it from the relation of v(t) and constant acceleration below
\frac{d}{dt}\frac{v}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}=g
By further integrating v(t) with time you get x(t) so you can get ##\tau(x)## to know proper time for one way the amount of which should be doubled for a round trip.
 
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$$d\tau = \sqrt{-g_{\mu v}\frac{dx^{\mu}}{d\lambda} \frac{dx^{v}}{d \lambda}} d \lambda $$
Calling ##d \lambda = d t##, t is coordinate time in an inertial frame.
$$\Delta \tau = \int \sqrt{-(-1+v^2/c^2)} dt$$
$$\Delta \tau \approx \Delta t - \frac{g^2*\Delta t^2}{6c^2}$$
where $$\Delta t = 2 \sqrt{L/g}, L = 30,000ly$$

So we just need to substitute it. Is this right?
No, it's not right. I don't think you've understood the problem at all. The proper acceleration must be ##g##. You've given no explanation on how you calculated that integral.

Have you heard of the hyberbolic trig functions?

The answer you give can't be right. You're going to get ##\Delta \tau## to be negative.
 

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