Protestants vs Catholics: A Cultural Comparison in Contemporary Society

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In summary, the conversation discusses the sociological theories of Max Weber and Jurgen Habermas on the Protestant work ethic and its link to the rationalization of society. However, in recent decades, this hypothesis has been discredited as Protestant cultures have become more irrational. The conversation then shifts to the idea of comparing Protestantism and Catholicism in contemporary societies, highlighting cultural differences such as food culture, sensuality, architecture, existential disposition, lust, and charity. The conversation concludes with a humorous tone, questioning Weber's hypothesis and mentioning the rarity of such thoughts in Anglo-Saxon-dominated countries.
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When Max Weber published his famous hypothesis on the Protestant work ethic and the rise of capitalism, he linked it to the "rationalization" of society.
Habermas continued this sociological thought and expanded it into his theories of increasing rationalism, technocracy and democracy.

In recent decades, this hypothesis has been discredited as it is way too rigid and teleologic. We now see those same Protestant cultures turning increasingly to more "irrational" mindsets. (Take American society as an example.)

Now here comes my thingie. I want to compare Protestantism and Catholicism as they manifest themselves in our contemporary societies. There's a growing cultural difference between the two credos.

Anglosaxon protestantism is indeed becoming so obsessed with its "work ethic", which has permeated all aspects of their lives (it has even reached the bedroom and their sexuality, where competitiveness rules), that it is becoming more and more surreal and overtly irrational.

Are we witnessing the reversal of Weber's thesis?

I want to make a big photo essay showing these differences in a very politically incorrect way. No nuance. Only strong contrasts between Protestants and Catholics. The book would be designed according to a completely binary structure, with pure and exaggerated oppositions. Here are some I'm thinking of. Please suggest other forms of protestant irrationality and absurdity.


FOOD CULTURE:
(Catholics) Delicious carefully prepared menus, with lots of sensuality, French cuisine, care, diversity in its ingredients and tastes, finesse <-- versus --> (Protestants) cold, hard, industrial food, McDonald's; sensuality is sin; food is not to be enjoyed, it should only convey a feeling of being "full", hence "full" bodies; at best, food is money (for those who produce it industrially). But it sure can't be something you enjoy in a group of people.

SENSUALITY & LUST FOR LIFE
sensuality, samba, dance, mature intimacy, carnavale, collective orgiastic parties (symbol: picture of a Brazilian samba troupe, shaking sensual bodies with grand smiles) <-versus-> fear of real sensuality and sexuality, either porn all the way or excessive immaturity, but never mature relationships, accepting human nature and its "filthy little secrets" (symbols: American males' obsession with shaved female genitals, symptom of their fear of "normal, natural" genitals, sign of their infantile view on sexuality; American "No sex before Marriage Virgins" campaigning) :devil:

ARCHITECTURE:
warm, mysterious, trompe-l'oeil baroque (symbol: Italian Baroque churches) <-versus-> hard, dry, cold, rectangular empty boxes (symbol: black Scandinavian empty church; industrially produced pre-fab white American suburbia; all the same)

EXISTENTIAL DISPOSITION:
relaxed, dolce far niente, not being ashamed of doing nothing for a few days a week, love lust life, no stress, work as a means to an end, psychologically healthy, tolerant, interested and able to cope with diversity <-versus-> stressed up, fvkked up, kids taking steroids to excel in sports, extremely high rates of psychological disorders, ADHD, depression, hysteria, competitive madness, work, work, work; doing nothing is sinful, laziness must be repressed, diversity is devilish, capital counts, stressed up, identity crisis, busy with empty businesses.

LUST
A Catholic can commit a sin. He just goes to a priest and confesses. The priest says: "your sins are forgiven, now go". And you go away and you can sin, sing, drink, love and laugh again. <-versus-> Protestants: Oh no! Eternal shame! Once you sin, you will never be clean again. Carry the burden of God's rage forever on your shoulders! Oh no! Depression as a general condition.

CHARITY:
mother theresa la Grande Catholique spending all her life amongst the diseased and dispossessed, rarely giving interviews, out of the spotlight, although the entire world knows she's there, in Calcutta, no need for show <-versus-> princess Diana, flash show fake five minute charity visits to landmine victims, media figure, empty box, fake "charity"

etc... etc...

There are hundreds of hilarious examples. Please let me know if you have some I should add. :biggrin:

Protestants and Catholics, two worlds apart.
 
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This is extracting the urine. Weber must have been high or something! :smile: got any more?
 
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This is extracting the urine. Weber must have been high or something! :smile: got any more?

Nah, there are plenty of books already on the differences between Protestantees and Catholics when it comes to scatological habits. Urine's done. :wink:
 
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Weber was a great historian and sociologist. You have thoughts that have crossed my mind many times (esp. on work and sex). Unfortunately, I live in an Anglo-Saxon-dominated country where such thoughts are rare to find in print. And of course my thoughts are rather poor quality. Probably there are some modern French philosophers and intellectuals who have developed these ideas further. Look into it some more.
 

1. What is the main difference between Protestants and Catholics?

The main difference between Protestants and Catholics is their beliefs about authority. Protestants believe that the Bible is the sole authority for faith and practice, while Catholics believe in the authority of the Bible and the traditions of the Church.

2. Why did Protestants break away from the Catholic Church?

Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church during the Reformation in the 16th century. This was due to disagreements about Church practices and beliefs, including the selling of indulgences and the role of the Pope as the head of the Church.

3. Do Protestants and Catholics have different beliefs about salvation?

Yes, Protestants and Catholics have different beliefs about salvation. Protestants believe that salvation comes through faith alone, while Catholics believe in the combination of faith and good works for salvation.

4. Are there any major denominations within Protestantism and Catholicism?

Yes, there are multiple denominations within both Protestantism and Catholicism. Some major Protestant denominations include Lutheranism, Anglicanism, and Baptist, while major Catholic denominations include Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

5. Are there any ongoing conflicts between Protestants and Catholics?

While there have been conflicts between Protestants and Catholics in the past, most notably during the Reformation, there are no major ongoing conflicts between the two groups. However, there are still differences in beliefs and practices that can lead to disagreements and tensions between individuals and communities.

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