Prove 4f is the Min. Distance Between Conjugate Points for Thin Lens

[fluidistic]

Homework Statement

Show that the minimum distance between 2 conjugate points (real object and image) for a positive thin lens is 4f.

Homework Equations

\frac{1}{f}=\frac{1}{S_o}+\frac{1}{S_i}.

The Attempt at a Solution

I assumed the lens to be biconvex (though I know that I can't. There are so many types of positive lens...).
So I get that \frac{1}{f}=(n_1-n_0)\left ( \frac{2}{R} \right ).So I must show that S_0+S_1 \geq 4f.
Using these 2 formulae, I reach that the inequation holds if and only if S_0+S_i \leq 2R where R is the curvature radius of the thin lens. I'm stuck here. Are there any other equation I should use? Or am I in the right direction?

 

[tiny-tim]

Hi fluidistic!

You're making this far too complicated!

Just write S_i - S_o as a function of S_o, and differentiate.

 

[fluidistic]

Hi fluidistic!

You're making this far too complicated!

Just write S_i - S_o as a function of S_o, and differentiate.

Wow, this worked. Awsome! So I only needed the formula \frac{1}{f}=\frac{1}{S_o}+\frac{1}{S_i} and your nice idea!

Edit: Wait! Why did you choose the expression So-Si rather than minimizing So+Si?

 

[tiny-tim]

Edit: Wait! Why did you choose the expression So-Si rather than minimizing So+Si?

oops!

 

[fluidistic]

oops!

But this worked! ahahahaha, I made an error but I reached the result. Wow, amazing. I'll retry. Ahahahah.

 

[fluidistic]

Have you solved the problem? I'm getting stuck, I just don't reach anything. S_0+S_i=\frac{S_0S_i}{f}. I have to minimize this function.

 

[tiny-tim]

No, S_o + S_i = S_o + 1/(1/f - 1/S_o) = S_o + fS_o/(S_o - f) …

carry on from there.

(and I'm off to bed :zzz:)​

 

[fluidistic]

No, S_o + S_i = S_o + 1/(1/f - 1/S_o) = S_o + fS_o/(S_o - f) …

carry on from there.

(and I'm off to bed :zzz:)​

Worked! Thanks a lot.

 

[Titans86]

It is still unclear to me where to go from here. What should I be differentiating with respects to?

Regards,
Adam

 

[tiny-tim]

Hi Adam!

What should I be differentiating with respects to?

hmm … there's only one variable in the formula …

No, S_o + S_i = S_o + 1/(1/f - 1/S_o) = S_o + fS_o/(S_o - f)

… so i suppose you'd better differentiate wrt that!