Prove Fermi-Walker Transport of Gyroscope's Spin Vector w/No Applied Moment

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on proving the Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector, specifically the equation ##S_{\alpha} = - \dfrac{1}{2} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} J^{\beta \gamma} u^{\delta}## under the condition of no applied moments. It establishes that in a local inertial frame, the time derivative of the spin vector's time component, ##S^0##, is zero, leading to the conclusion that ##u \cdot \partial S = (S \cdot a)u##, which is the condition for Fermi-Walker transport. The discussion also addresses the physical interpretation of ##S^0## and clarifies that the local inertial frame is chosen for convenience, not necessity.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Fermi-Walker transport in general relativity
  • Familiarity with tensor calculus and 4-vectors
  • Knowledge of local inertial frames in the context of relativity
  • Basic principles of angular momentum in relativistic physics
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of Fermi-Walker transport equations in detail
  • Explore the implications of 4-vector notation in general relativity
  • Investigate the physical significance of the components of spin vectors
  • Review Lightman’s problem book on relativity, particularly chapter 11 on angular momentum
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, particularly those specializing in general relativity, students studying advanced mechanics, and researchers interested in the dynamics of gyroscopic systems.

ergospherical
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
Education Advisor
Insights Author
Messages
1,100
Reaction score
1,387
With no applied moments, it is asked to prove that a gyroscope Fermi-Walker transports its spin vector ##S_{\alpha} = - \dfrac{1}{2} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} J^{\beta \gamma} u^{\delta}##. In a local inertial frame ##u^{\alpha} = (1, \mathbf{0}) = \delta^{\alpha}_0## and ##\dfrac{d\mathbf{S}}{dt} = 0## since a co-moving observer sees no precession of the spin axis. Put this condition in the form ##u \cdot \partial S^i = 0##. If one further assumes that the time derivative ##u \cdot \partial S^0## of the time component ##S^0## is a constant, say ##k##, then one can put ##u \cdot \partial S^{\alpha} = k \delta^{\alpha}_0 = ku^{\alpha}##, or\begin{align*}
u \cdot \partial S = ku
\end{align*}and then since ##S \cdot u = - \dfrac{1}{2} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} J^{\beta \gamma} u^{\delta} u^{\alpha} = 0##,\begin{align*}
0 = u \cdot \partial(S \cdot u) = -k + S \cdot a
\end{align*}and finally ##u \cdot \partial S = (S \cdot a)u##, which is the equation of Fermi-Walker transport (##a = u \cdot \partial u## is the four-acceleration of the gyroscope). What is the justification for putting the time derivative of ##S^0## to a constant? As a guess, it's the zero applied moment condition - but what is even the physical interpretation of the component ##S^0##?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
ergospherical said:
In a local inertial frame
I don't think you should need to assume any frame for this; Fermi-Walker transport can be defined in terms of tensor equations valid in any frame.

ergospherical said:
##u^{\alpha} = (1, \mathbf{0}) = \delta^{\alpha}_0## and ##\dfrac{d\mathbf{S}}{dt} = 0## since a co-moving observer sees no precession of the spin axis.
Here you are considering ##\mathbf{S}## to be a 3-vector; but in your original equation the spin ##S_\alpha## is a 4-vector (or covector, as you've written it). Try computing the 4-vector dot product ##u^\alpha S_\alpha##. What do you get?

ergospherical said:
what is even the physical interpretation of the component ##S^0##?
Try reconsidering this question after you have computed ##u^\alpha S_\alpha##.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71
##S \cdot u = 0## since ##\epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta}## is anti-symmetric in ##\alpha, \delta## whilst ##u^{\alpha} u^{\delta}## is symmetric in ##\alpha, \delta##, as in the OP. The local inertial frame is chosen only for convenience. Also, ##\mathbf{S}## is the spatial part of ##S^{\alpha} = (S^0, \mathbf{S})##.
 
ergospherical said:
##S \cdot u = 0##
Yes, exactly.

ergospherical said:
The local inertial frame is chosen only for convenience.
You don't need to choose a frame at all.

ergospherical said:
##\mathbf{S}## is the spatial part of ##S^{\alpha} = (S^0, \mathbf{S})##.
Yes, I know that. But since you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, in any local inertial frame in which ##u = \left( 1, \mathbf{0} \right)##, what will ##S^0## be?

More importantly, now that you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, what does that imply about Fermi-Walker transport? (Hint: take the derivative of ##S \cdot u##.)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71
PeterDonis said:
But since you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, in any local inertial frame in which ##u = \left( 1, \mathbf{0} \right)##, what will ##S^0## be?
This means that ##S^0 = 0## in the local inertial frame. It makes sense because in a general frame ##S \cdot u = -S^0 u^0 + \mathbf{S} \cdot \mathbf{u}## which implies that ##S^0 = \gamma^{-1} \mathbf{S} \cdot (\gamma \mathbf{v}) = \mathbf{S} \cdot \mathbf{v}##, and ##\mathbf{v} = \mathbf{0}## in a local inertial frame.

PeterDonis said:
More importantly, now that you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, what does that imply about Fermi-Walker transport? (Hint: take the derivative of ##S \cdot u##.)
##u \cdot \partial (S \cdot u) = -k + S \cdot a##, where ##k## is the time derivative of ##S^0## evaluated at the instant the gyroscope is co-moving in this particular local inertial frame, so ##k = S \cdot a##.
 
ergospherical said:
This means that ##S^0 = 0## in the local inertial frame.
Yes. Which removes the need to try to find a physical interpretation for it. :wink:

ergospherical said:
##u \cdot \partial (S \cdot u) = -k + S \cdot a##, where ##k## is the time derivative of ##S^0##
##k## must be zero because ##S^0## is zero. More generally, ##\partial(S \cdot u)## must be zero because ##S \cdot u## is zero. But expanding out ##\partial(S \cdot u)## and setting it equal to zero should give an equation that is relevant to Fermi-Walker transport of ##S##.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71
PeterDonis said:
##k## must be zero because ##S^0## is zero... But expanding out ##\partial(S \cdot u)## and setting it equal to zero should give an equation that is relevant to Fermi-Walker transport of ##S##.
First part doesn't follow: e.g. if ##f(x_0) = 0##, then ##f'(x_0)## is not necessarily zero...
Likewise, ##S^0 = 0## does not imply ##k\equiv dS^0/dt = 0##.

It has been derived that ##k = S\cdot a \, (\neq 0)## and therefore ##u \cdot \partial S = (S \cdot a)u##, which is the condition for Fermi-Walker transport.

But I was wondering what was the motivation to assume that the time-derivative of ##S^0## is constant, in the first few lines of the solution.
 
In fact, I wonder whether the book made a little linguistic slip. They wrote that ##k## is a constant of proportionality, but I reckon ##k## is not constrained to be constant. Rather it is some time-dependent factor ##S \cdot a##. Awkward misnomer, probably.
 
ergospherical said:
##S^0 = 0## does not imply ##k\equiv dS^0/dt = 0##.
If we are talking about ##S^0## in a particular local inertial frame, yes, you're right. I misspoke.

If we look at ##S \cdot u##, we know that vanishes everywhere on the worldline, not just at a single point, so its derivative (along the worldline) must be zero. Looking again at your OP, though, it appears you are already taking that into account.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71
  • #10
ergospherical said:
the book
Which book?

ergospherical said:
##k## is not constrained to be constant. Rather it is some time-dependent factor ##S \cdot a##
Your OP shows that ##k = S \cdot a##, so the question is whether ##S \cdot a## can vary along the worldline, i.e., whether ##u \cdot \nabla \left( S \cdot a \right)## must vanish or not.
 
  • #11
It’s Lightman’s problem book on relativity, about 3 pages into chapter 11 on angular momentum (I can check exactly later).
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 61 ·
3
Replies
61
Views
13K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
7K