Prove <h,k> is in span{a,b} for all h,k

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the vector is contained within the span of the vectors a and b, where a = [2, -1] and b = [2, 1]. The problem is situated in the context of linear algebra, specifically focusing on concepts of vector spans and linear combinations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of an augmented matrix to explore the relationship between the vectors a, b, and c. There are attempts to express c as a linear combination of a and b, along with considerations of linear independence and the implications for spanning R². Some participants question how to formally demonstrate that any vector in R² can be represented in this way.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants providing insights into the linear independence of the vectors and the implications for spanning. A few participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the proof, while others suggest using geometric interpretations or properties of angles between vectors as a means of understanding the relationships involved.

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Participants note that the problem involves showing a general case for all h and k, which raises questions about the completeness of the information provided and the assumptions that can be made regarding the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement


If [itex] {\bf a} = <br /> \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 2 \\<br /> -1<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex] and [itex] {\bf b} = <br /> \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 2 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex], and [itex] {\bf c} = <br /> \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> h \\<br /> k<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex], show that [itex] {\bf c} \in span \left\{ {\bf a},{\bf b} \right\} \forall h,k[/itex]

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Since this means that c is a linear combination of a and b, I used the definition to create an augmented matrix:
[itex] \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 2 & 2 & h \\<br /> -1 & 1 & k\\<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex]

I did most of the rref on that, until I just decided to take a system of equations:
[tex] 2x_{1} = h + \frac{-1}{2}(2k+h)\\<br /> 2x_{2} = \frac{2k+h}{2}[/tex]But I have no idea what to do here. It's clear to me that span(a,b) is an infinite plane, but I don't know how to show that any vector (in this case <h,k>) that exists in R^2 will be contained on that plane.

I know it's a stupid question, sorry. This is also the first time I have attempted to latex a matrix...
 
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QuarkCharmer said:

Homework Statement


If [itex] {\bf a} = <br /> \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 2 \\<br /> -1<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex] and [itex] {\bf b} = <br /> \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 2 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex], and [itex] {\bf c} = <br /> \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> h \\<br /> k<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex], show that [itex] {\bf c} \in span \left\{ {\bf a},{\bf b} \right\} \forall h,k[/itex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


Since this means that c is a linear combination of a and b, I used the definition to create an augmented matrix:
[itex] \begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 2 & 2 & h \\<br /> -1 & 1 & k\\<br /> \end{smallmatrix}[/itex]

I did most of the rref on that, until I just decided to take a system of equations:
[tex] 2x_{1} = h + \frac{-1}{2}(2k+h)\\<br /> 2x_{2} = \frac{2k+h}{2}[/tex]But I have no idea what to do here. It's clear to me that span(a,b) is an infinite plane, but I don't know how to show that any vector (in this case <h,k>) that exists in R^2 will be contained on that plane.
Vectors a and b are linearly independent, so span R2. Since there are two of them, they form a basis for R2 That means that any vector in R2 is some linear combination of a and b.

In your work with the augmented matrix, as long as the left submatrix has no row of zeroes, that means that you can find the coordinates of a and b that yield c.

When you're dealing with two vectors, it's very easy to see whether they're linearly independent. As long as neither is a multiple of the other (which also precludes the possibility that either is the 0 vector), they're linearly independent.
QuarkCharmer said:
I know it's a stupid question, sorry. This is also the first time I have attempted to latex a matrix...
 
Here's some simple LaTeX for a 2 x 2 matrix.
\ begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ 3 & 4 \ end{bmatrix}

Remove the extra spaces before begin and end to have it render.

Here's how it renders:
$$\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ 3 & 4 \end{bmatrix}$$
 
Thank you.

I understand that it is true, because
[tex]a \not= cb[/tex]
where b is some real number. How do I "show" that? The book gave a hint, that is, to use the augmented matrix, but I don't see how that's helping.
 
I'm not sure it deserves anything very involved - the two vectors obviously point in different directions. You can see by inspection that a is not a multiple of b. As a calculus instructor I had many years ago used to say, "It's obvious to the most casual observer."
He would also say stuff like, "even my own mother could integrate that."

If you feel the need to do some actual "math" show that the cosine of the angle between the vectors is not 1 or -1 (corresponding to angles of 0° or 180°).

$$cos(θ) = \frac{a \cdot b}{|a||b|}$$
 
Mark44 said:
I'm not sure it deserves anything very involved - the two vectors obviously point in different directions. You can see by inspection that a is not a multiple of b. As a calculus instructor I had many years ago used to say, "It's obvious to the most casual observer."
He would also say stuff like, "even my own mother could integrate that."

If you feel the need to do some actual "math" show that the cosine of the angle between the vectors is not 1 or -1 (corresponding to angles of 0° or 180°).

$$cos(θ) = \frac{a \cdot b}{|a||b|}$$

That's what I'm looking for! Thanks!
 

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