Prove or disprove the following statement using sets frontier points

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The discussion revolves around the statement regarding the relationship between two sets A and B, specifically exploring the implications of A being a subset of B and the frontier (or boundary) of B being a subset of A. Participants are examining the validity of this statement through definitions and examples, with a focus on set theory concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if A is a subset of B and the frontier of B is a subset of A, then A must equal B, supporting this with a diagram but expressing uncertainty about the definition of frontier points.
  • Another participant questions the scenario where A is the frontier of B, implying a different relationship between the sets.
  • A third participant clarifies that if the frontier of B is a subset of A, then B must be a closed set, suggesting that A includes all non-interior points of B, which could lead to A not being equal to B in certain cases.
  • A side question is raised about the terminology of "frontier" versus "boundary," questioning the necessity of different terminology for the same concept.
  • Some participants argue that the original statement cannot be proven without additional qualifications, providing a counterexample where A and B are defined as A = {0, 1} and B = [0, 1], indicating that the statement does not hold in this case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the validity of the original statement, with some providing counterexamples and others suggesting conditions under which it might hold.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definition of frontier points and their relationship to boundary points, which may affect the interpretation of the original statement. The discussion also highlights the importance of closed sets and non-interior points in the context of the claim.

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if A is a subset of B and the frontier of B is a subset of A then A=B.

I am pretty sure that this is true as I drew I diagram and I think this helped.

A frontier point has a sequence in the set and a sequence in the compliment that both converge to the same limit. However I'm not really sure how to use this definition to help me

Thanks
 
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What if A is the frontier of B?
 
So you have \partial B \subseteq A\subseteq B. In particular, \partial B \subseteq B exactly says that B is closed. So B is a closed set, and A is a subset of B which includes every non-interior point of B.

The case R136a1 mentioned is, in some sense, the most extreme possible case of A\neq B (a counterexample to your conjecture, as long as B has nonempty interior).
 
As a side question, what the heck is a "frontier" of a set? This looks equivalent to the definition of boundary. Is this just another word for boundary? If so, why?

That is, why have a new word?
 
As both R136a1 and economicsnerd said, you can't prove it. Without some qualification, it is not true:
Counterexample: Let A= {0, 1}, B= [0, 1].
(I am assuming that "frontier" is the same as "boundary".)
 

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