Prove Squeezing Theorem with Natural Log: Find Limit as n->∞

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The discussion revolves around proving an inequality involving factorials and the natural logarithm, specifically demonstrating that \( \frac{n^n}{e^{n-1}} < n! < \frac{(n+1)^{n+1}}{e^n} \). Participants also aim to apply the squeezing theorem to find the limit of the nth root of \( n! \) divided by \( n \) as \( n \) approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss applying the natural logarithm to the inequality and explore proof techniques such as induction and contradiction. There are attempts to validate the inequality for specific values of \( n \) and questions about extending these proofs to all integers.

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Some participants have provided insights into proof techniques and the properties of logarithms, while others are still seeking clarity on the methods discussed. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these concepts to prove the inequality for all integers.

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Participants express uncertainty about certain proof methods and the application of mathematical concepts, indicating a need for further clarification on definitions and techniques relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Use the natural logarithm function to prove that (nn/en-1)< n! <
((n+1)n+1/en). Then use the squeezing theorem to find the limit as n approches infinity of nth root of (n!) all divided by n.

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I'm not sure where to even start. Please help.
 
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For starters you could apply "ln" to all parts of the equation.

The proofing methods that spring to mind are:
  • proof by induction
  • proof by contradiction

Do you know what those are?
If so, did you try to apply them?
 
No, I don't know what those are, but I'll look them up and learn them.
 
I applied ln to each part of the equation then plugged in n=10 and got 14.0259<15.1044<16.3768. This proves the equation for n=10, but how do I prove it for all real numbers?
 
Ki-nana18 said:
I applied ln to each part of the equation then plugged in n=10 and got 14.0259<15.1044<16.3768. This proves the equation for n=10, but how do I prove it for all real numbers?

Let's start with the definition of the natural logarithm.
For each a and b: ln(a*b) = ln a + ln b
Furthermore, the natural logarithm is a strictly increasing function, which means that if you apply it to the parts of an inequality, the inequality sign keeps pointing in the same direction.

Can you apply that to the inequality?
 
Yeah that makes total sense. I'm going to write explanation because I can't write it mathematically. Can you help me with the second part?
 
Proof by full induction consists of 2 steps:
1. You proof that the inequality holds for some specific n0
2. You proof that if the inequality holds for som n >= n0, it also holds for n+1.

In our case the inequality holds for n=2 because:

[tex]\frac 4 e = \frac {2^2} {e^{2-1}} < 2! < \frac {(2+1)^{2+1}} {e^2} = \frac {27} {e^2}[/tex]

So we need to prove that if it holds for n, it also holds for n+1.

If we multiply all parts of the inequality for n with (n+1) we get:

[tex]\frac {n^n} {e^{n-1}} (n+1) < (n+1)! < \frac {(n+1)^{n+1}} {e^n} (n+1)[/tex]

So if we can prove that:

[tex]\frac {(n+1)^{n+1}} {e^{(n+1)-1}} <^? \frac {n^n} {e^{n-1}} (n+1)[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac {(n+1)^{n+1}} {e^n} (n+1) <\limits^? \frac {(n+2)^{n+2}} {e^{n+1}}[/tex]

then we will have completed the proof.

Can you see where this is going?
 

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