Prove that s^2=(s')^2 using the Lorentz Transformation

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The discussion focuses on proving the invariant quantity s² = s'² using the Lorentz Transformation in special relativity. The key equations involved are s² = x² - (ct)², x' = γ(x - vt), and t' = γ(t - (vx/c²), where γ = [1 - (v/c)²]⁻¹/2. The user attempts to expand and simplify the expression for s'² but encounters difficulties in algebraic manipulation. A participant points out that the user's last correct equation was s'² = x'² - (ct')², indicating a need for careful algebraic handling.

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Homework Statement

I am learning special relativity and we came across the invariant quantity s = x2 - (ct)2. Our professor wants us to prove it. I admit that this is a proof and belongs in the mathematics section but I didn't see an Algebra section and this is most easily identified by those learning special relativity.

The assignment simply states

"Prove s2 = s'2"


Homework Equations


s2= x2-(ct)2

\gamma=[1-(\frac{v}{c})2]-1/2

x' = \gamma(x-vt)

t' = \gamma(t-(vx/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution



My textbook is telling me in one sentence that if we apply the lorentz transformation to x and t then s2 = s'2...so I did that...

I choose to start with s'2 = x'2-(ct')2

Applying the lorentz transformation to x' and t' our equation becomes...

s'2 = (\gamma(x-vt))2-(c(\gamma(t-(vx/c2))2

Expanding what we have takes us to...

s'2 = (\gamma2(x2-2vt+(vt)2)-(c2\gamma2(t2)-2(v/c2)x+(v2/c4)x2))

If I combine some terms...

s'2 = \gamma2[x2(1-(v2/c4)+t2(v-1)+2v((x/c2)-t)]

From here I tried a couple of different things on scratch paper but I couldn't see particular direction that would simplify it all down. Am I just not being patient enough and not seeing that it gets worse before it gets better?

Thanks in advance.
 
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castrodisastro said:

Homework Statement

I am learning special relativity and we came across the invariant quantity s = x2 - (ct)2. Our professor wants us to prove it. I admit that this is a proof and belongs in the mathematics section but I didn't see an Algebra section and this is most easily identified by those learning special relativity.

The assignment simply states

"Prove s2 = s'2"


Homework Equations


s2= x2-(ct)2

\gamma=[1-(\frac{v}{c})2]-1/2

x' = \gamma(x-vt)

t' = \gamma(t-(vx/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution



My textbook is telling me in one sentence that if we apply the lorentz transformation to x and t then s2 = s'2...so I did that...

I choose to start with s'2 = x'2-(ct')2

Applying the lorentz transformation to x' and t' our equation becomes...

s'2 = (\gamma(x-vt))2-(c(\gamma(t-(vx/c2))2

Expanding what we have takes us to...

s'2 = (\gamma2(x2-2vt+(vt)2)-(c2\gamma2(t2)-2(v/c2)x+(v2/c4)x2))

If I combine some terms...

s'2 = \gamma2[x2(1-(v2/c4)+t2(v-1)+2v((x/c2)-t)]

From here I tried a couple of different things on scratch paper but I couldn't see particular direction that would simplify it all down. Am I just not being patient enough and not seeing that it gets worse before it gets better?

Thanks in advance.
You made a bunch of algebra errors. The last equation you had that was correct was: s'2 = x'2-(ct')2

Chet
 

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