Prove that sinhkt is of exponential order |k|?

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The problem involves proving that the function sinh(kt) is of exponential order |k|. Participants are tasked with finding constants M, c, and T to demonstrate the relationship |f(t)| = Me^(ct) for t > T.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the behavior of sinh(kt) through graphical representation and inequalities. Some participants suggest using the exponential form of sinh to explore bounds, while others express uncertainty about the next steps in their reasoning.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to manipulate the function and establish bounds. Some participants express frustration and seek clarification on how to proceed, while one participant offers guidance on estimating values for M, c, and T, indicating a potential path forward.

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Participants note that the function sinh(kt) is not bounded and question the implications of this on their approach. There is also mention of the emotional toll of grappling with the problem, reflecting the challenging nature of the topic.

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Homework Statement


Prove that sinh(kt) is of exponential order |k|.
Find M>0, c>=0 and T>0 to show that
|f(t)|= Me^(ct), t>T


Homework Equations


|f(t)|= Me^(ct), t>T


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm looking at the graph of sinhkt (i graphed a few values of k) and indeed it is of an exponential order.

Now,
|sinhkt|<=Me^(ct), t>T

sinhkt isn't bound. So c=/=0=/=t


oh boy... help?
 
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sinh(kt)=(exp(kt)-exp(-kt))/2. Think about it.
 
Sigh...ok so,

|e^kt-e^-kt|<=2Me^ct
|e^kt-1/e^kt|<=2Me^ct
|(e^3kt-e^kt)/(e^2kt)|<=2Me^ct
|e^3kt-e^kt|<=2Me^[t(c+2k)]
...

ln|e^3kt-e^kt|<=ln|2Me^[t(c+2k)]|
ln|e^2kt - 1|+ tk <= (c+2k)*t+ln|2M|
ln|[e^2kt - 1]/(2M)]| <= (c+2k)t+kt
ln|[e^2kt - 1]/(2M)]| <= (c+3k)t


OK...? uhh... now what?
 
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physicsfan24 said:
Sigh...ok so,

OK...? uhh... now what?

heh...its interesting how you were able to express emotion in your posts.
 
Gear300 said:
heh...its interesting how you were able to express emotion in your posts.

Its late...and I've been bashing ny head against my desk thinking about this problem
 
physicsfan24 said:
Its late...and I've been bashing ny head against my desk thinking about this problem

All that head bashing in vain, sigh. When you are trying to prove 'order of' questions you are allowed to make generous estimates. All you need is SOME M,c,T. Not a set that is in any sense optimal. I'll walk you through it. |sinh(kt)|=sinh(|kt|) which is equal to sinh(|k|t) for t>0. Now that's |exp(|k|t)-1/exp(|k|t)|/2. Which is
(1/2)*exp(|k|t)*|(1-exp(-2|k|t)|. Since the last factor goes to 1 as t->infinity there is a value of T such that for t>T, (1-exp(-2|k|t))>(1/2). Can you explicitly find such a T? So for t>T, |sinh(kt)|>(1/4)exp(|k|t). All done.
 

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