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The problem involves proving that a specific collection of subsets, T1={U subset of X: X\U is finite or is all of X}, constitutes a topology. The context is set theory and topology, focusing on the properties of open sets.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the inclusion of the empty set and the entire set X in T1, examining the definitions of finite and infinite sets. They explore the properties of unions and intersections of sets within T1, questioning the necessity of certain steps in the proof.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications and suggestions for refining the proof, particularly regarding the handling of intersections and unions. There appears to be an ongoing exploration of the implications of the definitions involved, with no explicit consensus reached on all points.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding whether X is infinite, which some participants highlight as a potential assumption that needs clarification. Additionally, the discussion includes considerations of finite intersections and the implications of empty sets within the context of the proof.

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Homework Statement


Prove that T1={U subset of X: X\U is finite or is all of X} is a topology.

Homework Equations


DeMorgan's Laws will be useful.
Empty set is defined as finite, and X is an arbitrary infinite set.

The Attempt at a Solution


1) X/X = empty set, finite. Thus X is in T1
2) X/empty set = X, infinite. Thus Empty Set is in T1
3) Let {Ua:a is in A} be a collection of sets in T1
Spse Ua ≠ X.
X\(indexed unionUa) = indexed intersection(X\Ua)
This is finite since each X\Ua is finite or is all of X. (element of T1)

Spse Ua = empty set for all a, then the indexed intersection(X\Ua) = X (element of T1)
Spse Ua-bar ≠ empty set for some a, then the indexed intersection(X\Ua) is a subset of X\Ua-bar (element of T1).

4) Let {Ua:a is in A} be a collection of sets in T1
Spse Ua ≠ empty set.
X\(indexed intersectionUa) = indexed union(X\Ua),
Since the number of intersection must be finite and X\Ua is finite for all a,
Then the union of finitely many finite sets is finite. (element of T1)

If Ua = empty set for some a,
Then the indexed union (X\Ua) is either finite or all of X. (element of T1)
 
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Hodgey8806 said:

Homework Statement


Prove that T1={U subset of X: X\U is finite or is all of X} is a topology.

Homework Equations


DeMorgan's Laws will be useful.
Empty set is defined as finite, and X is an arbitrary infinite set.

The Attempt at a Solution


1) X/X = empty set, finite. Thus X is in T1
2) X/empty set = X, infinite.
Actually, you are NOT given that X is infinite. But the point is that X/empty set is all of X.

Thus Empty Set is in T1
3) Let {Ua:a is in A} be a collection of sets in T1
Spse Ua ≠ X.
X\(indexed unionUa) = indexed intersection(X\Ua)
This is finite since each X\Ua is finite or is all of X. (element of T1)

Spse Ua = empty set for all a, then the indexed intersection(X\Ua) = X (element of T1)
Spse Ua-bar ≠ empty set for some a, then the indexed intersection(X\Ua) is a subset of X\Ua-bar (element of T1).

4) Let {Ua:a is in A} be a collection of sets in T1
Spse Ua ≠ empty set.
X\(indexed intersectionUa) = indexed union(X\Ua),
Since the number of intersection must be finite and X\Ua is finite for all a,
Then the union of finitely many finite sets is finite. (element of T1)

If Ua = empty set for some a,
Then the indexed union (X\Ua) is either finite or all of X. (element of T1)
 
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Hodgey,

(1.) & (2.) look fine.

I'll edit & make some comments below for the others.

For (3.):
Let \displaystyle <br /> \left\{ \text{U}_\alpha\ :\ \alpha \in \text{A}\right\} be an arbitrary collection of sets in T1 .
[STRIKE]Spse Ua ≠ X. [/STRIKE] (Not needed)

\displaystyle \text{X}\backslash \left(\bigcup\left(\text{U}_\alpha\right)\right)= \bigcap\left(\text{X}\backslash\text{U}_\alpha \right)
If <br /> \displaystyle \text{U}_\alpha = \emptyset \text{ for all }\alpha\in\text{A}\,, then \displaystyle \bigcap\left(\text{X}\backslash\text{U}_\alpha \right)=\text{X}\ .

Otherwise, argue that one of the \displaystyle \text{X}\backslash\text{U}_\alpha is finite for some \displaystyle \text{U}_\alpha ... so that the intersection is finite.​
...​

For (4):
This should be a finite intersection, so a finite collection of sets.​
 
Thank you very much! I understand this a bit better now. To me that piece didn't seem necessary, but we worked through it fast in class so I suppose it was there for good measure.

I argued on 3) that it is finite because if it intersects a finite set, the indexed intersection is now a subset of that particular finite set.

Thanks again! I have many more questions I need guidance on!
 

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