Prove the diameter of a union of sets is finite

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The problem involves proving that the union of a collection of indexed sets has a finite diameter under certain conditions: specifically, that the intersection of the sets is non-empty and each set is bounded by a constant A. Participants are exploring the implications of these conditions on the diameter of the union.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the idea that if the sets intersect, they may be localized, leading to a finite diameter. There are attempts to apply the triangle inequality to establish bounds on the diameter of the union. Questions arise about the implications of having infinitely many sets and how to rigorously incorporate the intersection into their reasoning.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using the triangle inequality to support their arguments about the diameter. There are ongoing discussions about the assumptions regarding the points in the sets and how to express the relationships between them. No consensus has been reached, but there are productive lines of reasoning being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of having a non-empty intersection among the sets and the bounded nature of each set, which may influence their arguments about the diameter. There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and assumptions about the points being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the union of a collection of indexed sets has finite diameter if the intersection of the collection is non-empty, and every set in the collection is bounded by a constant A.

The Attempt at a Solution


The picture I have is if they all intersect (and assuming there are infinitely many sets), then all the sets must be 'localized' in some way so that there's some overlap. I'm not yet sure how to make this rigorous though.
 
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chipotleaway said:

Homework Statement


Prove that the union of a collection of indexed sets has finite diameter if the intersection of the collection is non-empty, and every set in the collection is bounded by a constant A.

The Attempt at a Solution


The picture I have is if they all intersect (and assuming there are infinitely many sets), then all the sets must be 'localized' in some way so that there's some overlap. I'm not yet sure how to make this rigorous though.

Use the triangle inequality to make a rigorous proof.
 
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I have the diameter of the union of sets is less than or equal to the sum of the diameters of each set, and that's less than the sum of M (summed over each alpha). How might one go about working in the fact they all intersect?

(If two sets have a maximum diameter of M, and intersect, then I would expect the diameter of the union to be strictly less than the 2M, but if there are infinite sets...)

EDIT: Oh hang on I think I have an idea - x and y in the diameter of the union have to be in either one set or two sets. If in two sets, then since they intersect, then it's less than 2M
 
Prove these things you 'expect' to be true using the triangle inequality. And there is at least one point, z, that is contained in every set of the collection.
 
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Letting d(x,y) be the diameter of the union of the sets, if x,y are in different sets, then d(x,y)≤d(x,z)+d(z,y)≤2M since every set contains z and the diameter of every set is bounded by M. Therefore d(x,y) is finite since 2M is finite.

If x,y are in the same set, then it would be bounded by the diameter of just one set, which is bounded by M.

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I'm a little unsure about using d(x,y) as the diameter of the union of sets and assuming that they're in the sets - should I let the diameter be d(z,w) where z,w are just points in the containing metric space X (which may or may not be in the subsets we're looking)?
 
chipotleaway said:
Letting d(x,y) be the diameter of the union of the sets, if x,y are in different sets, then d(x,y)≤d(x,z)+d(z,y)≤2M since every set contains z and the diameter of every set is bounded by M. Therefore d(x,y) is finite since 2M is finite.

If x,y are in the same set, then it would be bounded by the diameter of just one set, which is bounded by M.

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I'm a little unsure about using d(x,y) as the diameter of the union of sets and assuming that they're in the sets - should I let the diameter be d(z,w) where z,w are just points in the containing metric space X (which may or may not be in the subsets we're looking)?

Call your indexed sets ##S_i## where ##i \in I##. Then if x and y are elements of the union then ##x \in S_i## and ##y \in S_j## for some ##i \in I## and ##j \in I##. Start like that. Now say why you can find a z that is in both sets. Your inequality is fine. Just fill in some more words about what belongs to what.
 
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