Prove the basic rule's of Poisson's Brackets?

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The discussion focuses on proving the basic rules of Poisson's Brackets, specifically demonstrating that the brackets {pi, pj} and {qi, qj} equal zero, while {qi, pj} equals the Kronecker Delta δij. The participants utilize the definition of the Poisson Bracket, expressed as {x,Y} = [(∂x/∂q * ∂Y/∂p) - (∂Y/∂q * ∂x/∂p)], to derive these results. The conclusion is that the partial derivatives of generalized coordinates with respect to each other yield zero when the indices differ, confirming the properties of the Poisson Bracket.

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Homework Statement


Show that:
(i){pi,pj}=0
(ii){qi,qj}=0
(iii){qi,pj}=δij


Homework Equations



{x,Y} = [(∂x/∂q * ∂Y/∂p) - (∂Y/∂q * ∂x/∂p)]

The Attempt at a Solution



Right I know first of all that qij and pij are generalized coordinates so that we don't need to worry about what units etc the answers are in.

I know that if the Poisson Bracket is equal to zero then the point you have used it on is a conserved quantity.

I think (i) and (ii) are ok but stuck on what to do on (iii). I have a feeling it has something to do with the Levi Civita Tensor as that is the last place I came across Kronecker Delta.

(i/ii){qi,qj} = [(∂qi/∂q)*(∂qj/∂p) - (∂qj/∂q)*(∂qi/∂p)]

The ∂qi/∂p and the ∂qj/∂p on either side are just '0' I think as it is a partial derivative of a q component with respect to p and it does not have any p component so QED 0 - 0 = 0

And that would be basically the same solution for parts (i) and (ii). Now...

(iii) {qi,pj} = [(∂qi/∂q) * (∂pj/∂p) - (∂pj/∂q)*(∂qi/∂p)]

Last part is equal to zero for same reasons as part (i) and (ii) leaving me with

(∂qi/∂q)*(∂pj/∂p)

Now I don't really have a clue what to do like I said before I think it is something to do with Levi... any help is appreciated.
 
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Is not q_{i} independent of q_{j} for i being not equal to j?

So the partial derivative of one wrt the other is 1 if i = j and 0 otherwise.
Similarly for the p.
 

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