Proving that two variables are canonical

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The discussion focuses on proving that the polar variables \(\rho = \sqrt{x^2+y^2}\) and \(\phi = \tan^{-1}(y/x)\) are canonical variables in Hamiltonian mechanics. The participants clarify that to establish this, one must compute the Poisson brackets using the definitions provided, specifically ensuring that the brackets satisfy the conditions {qi,qj}={pi,pj} = 0 and {qi, pj} = dij (the Kronecker delta). The confusion arises from the interpretation of the variables as functions of momentum, which is addressed by recognizing that they can be considered trivial functions of momentum.

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Homework Statement



Show that the polar variables \rho = \sqrt{x^2+y^2} and \phi = tan^{-1}(y/x), with p_{rho} = \frac{x p_x +yp_y}{\rho} and p_{phi} = xp_y-yp_x, are canonical.

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To be canonical, a set of variables must satisfy {qi,qj}={pi,pj} = 0 and {qi, pj} = dij (the Kronecker delta)

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I'm just a wee bit confused about the brackets here. The thing is, the way I've learned Poisson brackets is that given functions w=w(p,q) and z=z(p,q), the bracket is \sum_{i} (\frac{dw}{dq_i}\frac{dz}{dp_i} - \frac{dw}{dp_i}\frac{dz}{dq_i}). But this definition gives w=w(p,q) and z=z(p,q). My problem gives me rho = rho (x,y) and phi =phi(x,y). But these are both positions. So, doesn't the bracket have to be

\{\rho,\phi\} = (\frac{d\rho}{dx}\frac{d\phi}{dy} - \frac{d\rho}{dy}\frac{d\phi}{dx}) + (\frac{d\rho}{dy}\frac{d\phi}{dx} - \frac{d\rho}{dx}\frac{d\phi}{dy})? Or am I supposed to have derivatives of rho and phi with respect to px and py, even though the positions aren't explicitly functions of momentum?? help!
 
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"Or am I supposed to have derivatives of rho and phi with respect to px and py, even though the positions aren't explicitly functions of momentum??"

Dead right - in a way they are functions of momentum, just trivial functions. In the same way f(x)=1 is a function of x. You just want to follow your prescription exactly with your phase variables q_1=x, q_2=y, p_1=p_x,p_2=p_y. See if you get the right numbers out.
 

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