Prove Using the Method of Contrapositive

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The discussion revolves around proving two statements using the method of contrapositive. The first statement involves inequalities with a positive ε, while the second statement concerns the equality of two variables under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the structure of the contrapositive and the implications of negating the original statements. There are questions about the definitions of ε and the proper handling of universal qualifiers in the context of the proofs.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying definitions and exploring the implications of their assumptions. Some have confirmed their understanding of the contrapositive structure, while others are seeking clarification on specific terms and conditions within the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a hint regarding the use of (1/2)(a - b) in the context of the first problem, which has led to some confusion about its application. Additionally, the distinction between "for some" and "for all" qualifiers is under discussion.

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Prove both by method of contrapositive.
1. If a ≤ b + ε, where ε > 0, then b > a.
2. If 0 ≤ a - b < ε, where ε > 0, then a = b.

I'll start with problem 1.:
p: If a ≤ b + ε, where ε > 0
q: b > a

neg q: b < a
neg p: for some ε' > 0 1/2(a - b), a > b + ε'

define ε' = 1/2(a - b)

I assume the contrapositive goes something like this: p→q, neg q→neg p,

After this, do I start with b < a→ a > b + ε', and then substitute the ε' = 1/2( a - b) into neg p and then try to work it into the form b < a ? However, it seem like I should start b > a and work my way to neg p. But how? Am I on the right path? Thanks
 
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kmas55 said:
Prove both by method of contrapositive.
1. If a ≤ b + ε, where ε > 0, then b > a.
2. If 0 ≤ a - b < ε, where ε > 0, then a = b.

I'll start with problem 1.:
p: If a ≤ b + ε, where ε > 0
q: b > a

neg q: b < a
The negation of q is "b is not greater than a" I.e., ##b \le a##
kmas55 said:
neg p: for some ε' > 0 1/2(a - b), a > b + ε'
I don't get what you're doing here. Are there any "for all" qualifiers in the original question?
Where did the (1/2)(a - b) come from?
kmas55 said:
define ε' = 1/2(a - b)

I assume the contrapositive goes something like this: p→q, neg q→neg p,
Yes, you have it right.
kmas55 said:
After this, do I start with b < a→ a > b + ε', and then substitute the ε' = 1/2( a - b) into neg p and then try to work it into the form b < a ? However, it seem like I should start b > a and work my way to neg p. But how? Am I on the right path? Thanks
 
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Mark44 said:
The negation of q is "b is not greater than a" I.e., ##b \le a##
I don't get what you're doing here. Are there any "for all" qualifiers in the original question?
Yes, sorry, instead of "where ε > 0" I should have wrote "for all ε > 0".
 
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kmas55 said:
yes,,

Yes, sorry, instead of "where ε > 0" I should have wrote "for all ε > 0".
Look up in your textbook or in examples from class how you deal with universal qualifiers in forming the contrapositive.
 
Mark44 said:
The negation of q is "b is not greater than a" I.e., ##b \le a##
I don't get what you're doing here. Are there any "for all" qualifiers in the original question?
Where did the (1/2)(a - b) come from?
Yes, you have it right.

The (1/2)(a - b) is a hint the 1st problem gives you. I misplaced it in the problem. The "neg p: for some ε' > 0 1/2(a - b), a > b + ε' ", should read " neg p: There is some ε' > 0 , so that a > b + ε'. And then the hint, define ε' = (1/2)(a - b). Sorry, it was late when I typed the original.

Also, thank you for confirming that I'm starting in the right direction. I'll work from there, and then post. Thanks much.
 
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