Proving a Trigonometric Identity Using Exponential Functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the trigonometric identity involving the arccosine function and logarithmic expressions. Participants explore various methods to establish the identity, including the use of exponential functions and derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the equation \(\cos{A}=z\) and rewriting it in terms of exponentials, leading to \(\cos{A}=\frac{\exp{iA}+\exp{-iA}}{2}=z\).
  • Another participant questions the necessity of taking the logarithm at a specific point, suggesting that the problem may be approached as a quadratic equation instead.
  • A different approach is proposed where a function \(f(z)=\frac{\arccos{z}}{i \ln { z + (z^2 -1)^\frac{1}{2} }}\) is defined, with the goal of proving that its derivative is zero to show that the function is constant.
  • One participant expresses confusion about solving for \(A\) and seeks clarification on the logarithmic approach.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative form for \(A\) as \(-i \ln B\) and encourages further exploration of the exponential equation.
  • A later reply critiques the logarithmic manipulation, asserting that the correct logarithmic form should yield \(\ln(2z)\) instead of \(\ln{z^2}\), but emphasizes that the logarithm is not necessary for the proof.
  • One participant elaborates on their method of proving identities through derivatives, emphasizing the importance of showing that the derivative is zero to establish constancy.
  • Finally, one participant indicates they were able to solve the identity after the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best approach to prove the identity, with no consensus reached on a single method. Some advocate for using logarithmic transformations, while others prefer derivative-based proofs or alternative algebraic manipulations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings in logarithmic manipulation and the necessity of certain steps, indicating that assumptions about the methods may vary. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical reasoning without resolving the identity definitively.

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Hi. I need to prove the following identity

\arccos{z} =i \ln { z + (z^2 -1)^\frac{1}{2} }

I was given a hint to write
\cos{A}=z,
then rewrite
\cos{A}

in terms of the exponential.
\cos{A}=\frac{\exp{iA}+\exp{-iA}}{2}=z

I took the log on both sides and got stuck at that point.

\ln{\exp{iA} + \exp{-iA}}=\ln{z^2}

I know it's a correct method becaues the right hand is starting to take form. But i just couldn't solve for A (which will be \arccos{z} right?).
 
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Why take a log at that point? It's essentially a quadratic equation.
 
I have a favorite way of proving equation :D

say we have u=v

I let f(x)=u/v, Prove that the derivative is zero, so the answer is unchanging. Then I solve it for 1 value, we know u/v=k, k is some value. Fun Fun :)

In This case we could write f(z)=\frac{\arccos{z}}{i \ln { z + (z^2 -1)^\frac{1}{2} }}. Find f'(z), as you will see it is equal to zero. Then prove it for one value of z, 1 looks like the easies to me :). You will see f(z)=1. Multiply both sides by the denominator and its all good :)
 
Hurkyl said:
Why take a log at that point? It's essentially a quadratic equation.

There must be something trivial that I'm not seeing. I still can't figure out how to solve for A.
I have a favorite way of proving equation :D

say we have u=v

I let f(x)=u/v, Prove that the derivative is zero, so the answer is unchanging. Then I solve it for 1 value, we know u/v=k, k is some value. Fun Fun :)

In This case we could write LaTeX graphic is being generated. Reload this page in a moment.. Find LaTeX graphic is being generated. Reload this page in a moment., as you will see it is equal to zero. Then prove it for one value of z, 1 looks like the easies to me :). You will see f(z)=1. Multiply both sides by the denominator and its all good :)

1) I didn't quite understand your method
2) I prefer deriving rather than proving it.

Thanks so far for the help.
 
What if A were -i ln B?
 
DrKareem said:
in terms of the exponential.
\cos{A}=\frac{\exp{iA}+\exp{-iA}}{2}=z

I took the log on both sides and got stuck at that point.

\ln{\exp{iA} + \exp{-iA}}=\ln{z^2}

I know it's a correct method becaues the right hand is starting to take form. But i just couldn't solve for A (which will be \arccos{z} right?).


For one thing, you didn't take the log correctly to begin with - you would have gotten ln(2z), not z^2, but that's irrelevant, because as Hurkyl said you don't need to take a logarithm. Instead, just get everything to one side:

e^{Ai} + e^{-Ai} - 2z = 0

Now then, what if you multiplied the equation by e^{Ai}? Connect the result of this multiplication with Hurkyl's first comment; can you see then how to proceed?
 
Well basically, to understand my method, say we wish to prove u=v.

If u=v, then y=u/v is constant, 1. y is always equal to 1 is u and v are equal. So, to show the y value is never changing, we take the derivative of u/v. The derivative is basically the rate of change. If the derivative is zero, then the value never changes. So, we just take the derivative, prove it is zero. Now we know the value never changes, solve u/v for 1 easy value, in this case 1.

Now we know u/v=1, or u=v.

Of course, as you said, this is a proof rather than a derivation. But you asked for a proof, I gave you one :P
 
Thanks a lot for your help, I was able to solve it.
 

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